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Comment by Tim Otheus on December 14, 2018 at 3:16pm

A BIG VALUE of organizations that defend state/church separation is that such institutions can speak up for the individuals who would otherwise incur a high cost of pretesting violations. SUPPORT THE FFRF AND YOUR LOCAL FREETHOUGHT ORGANIZATIONS!

Comment by Randall Smith on December 14, 2018 at 7:41am

Thanks, Loren. I wasn’t sure I wanted to expose myself in this very religious community. Gossip spreads rapidly here.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 13, 2018 at 8:14am

Randall, this group is as good as any and better than most, in that the FFRF can and frequently HAS taken action regarding such incidents. Their monthly, Freethought Today, reports on all sorts of situations such as the one you cited.

And THANK YOU for taking the action you did!!! Bravo, man!

Comment by Randall Smith on December 13, 2018 at 7:45am

Not sure where to comment about this. This group looks appropriate.

I attended a Christmas music program at my local school where 4 of my grandchildren go. Two were in the band. Anyway, while the regular program very secular, the choir director led the audience in a very Christian hymn sing-along. Songs included Silent Night, The First Noel, etc. (about 6-7 songs).

I felt very uncomfortable. Being held “hostage” in the auditorium was not pleasant. So the following day, I wrote to the superintendent of schools informing him of the law prohibiting promoting certain religions in public schools. I mentioned “someone” might inform FFRF (and others) about said violation. I suggested him telling the music teachers to be aware of the law.

To his credit, the superintendent did immediately email me back saying he would “pass on the information”. I’m not sure what that entails, but we’ll see next year.

Comment by Patricia on February 21, 2018 at 1:50pm

Sounds odd for someone who would be used to public speaking……unless he’s camera shy.

Comment by Randall Smith on February 21, 2018 at 7:45am

Several years ago, I watched live a debate with Dan Barker (topic: “Can you be good without God”). And, I have to agree a little with Spud. Dan’s positions were good, but his presentations weren’t so great, especially for a former preacher. No big deal.

Comment by Tim Otheus on February 15, 2018 at 4:21pm

I think Christopher Hitchens came closest to capturing the sense of Ingersoll which you can find some words of here: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll

or the passion of TH Huxley in his Letter to Kingsley here: https://www.douban.com/note/314052169/?type=rec

We have the superior product in the marketplace of ideas. We simply have to make it more appealing

Comment by Idaho Spud on February 15, 2018 at 4:08pm

I thought of AronRa, but he’s already very busy.

Comment by Tim Otheus on February 15, 2018 at 3:33pm

I think it’s understandable to want to see those who speak for us and stand for our ideas and principles to really shine. We could do so much more with greater resources. Or if we had Christopher Hitchens back. Or Robert Green Ingersoll. We need to find their successors among us. Many voices sing the best harmony.

Comment by Idaho Spud on February 15, 2018 at 2:43pm

I agree they present good information. Perhaps I am too critical.

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