John, what are your up to? Which strange new ideas are you hooked on?

What about the chinese restaraunt and the issue of the little girl?

I’m just looking for those first few members to jump start some ideas on how the site is built and run. A group has been started, please feel to join up and start spilling your thoughts.

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/desktopsimians

John, I'm a woman. I was born to argue lol. Oh dear, did I just discover my life's purpose?

disagreements make the world spin bro heheh

Z dangled the cheese in front of the mouse. And the mouse had to resist determinism and say no thanks.

John,

No matter your philosophical bent,  ideas of strict determinism, it is only human to be peeved with the Z's of the world.

Greetings, John! I think human beings do create purpose and morality, but good luck on your moral philosophy. I'd like to invite you to a group where we talk about anything on our minds, Hang With Friends. :D

John –

 

Aha there is already such a group here in Nexus… looking forward to some interesting discussion  - come and join me…

 

Have a look on my page for the group if you can’t find it through a search.  I’m the 7^th member and they could do with some extra discussions in there – they’ve only got 2 going.  You and me babe… let’s do it! : )

The longing for purpose I've always felt is a direct consequence of religiosity. I have never had purpose and do not desire it! LOL As you mentioned somewhere else, no amount of future digitalisation of humanity will provide us with satisfaction on that point. We are already in the Matrix, our brains create the illusion of a purpose driven life, when in fact reality is all simple biology. I am a wayward ape. And if it can be said of some extinct species whose oversized appendages directly led to their evolutionary unfitness for life, I believe the same of humans, our enormous pompous brains will eventually be our death. Homo sapiens have thrived on this planet for 500,000 yrs without causing global catastrophes and extinctions, yet in the last few centuries, Homo sapiens is single handedly accomplishing what the rest of earth needed millions of years to achieve. I expect the near future of humanity has two options: extinction due to lack of resources or a significant change in the definition of "human" as you remarked with your earlier "definition of a leaf" analogy. I have many friends who are singulatarians and they anticipate with glee a future where humans are completely synthetic and we all live in massively overpopulated little manufactured biospheres, stating ants and bees as examples of human society. I dislike that analogy at the most fundamental level, are we closest to apes or to bees/ants???? Which society therefore best describes our true nature??? I think the answer is pretty obvious.

It not about right or wrong, but I for one to not aspire to a bee or ant life, I prefer ape life.

If you want to discover moral reason you should discuss morality.