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At 8:38am on February 23, 2013, Jessica said…

I came out of a variety of bunk that appeals to fanciful sensibilities instead of critical thinking.  

 

BTW, it doesn't seem my reply is linked to your comment but the email link brought me here to reply to it.  

At 3:32pm on February 16, 2013, Fatma Kurt said…

Turkey is not a Muslim theocracy in fact. The system is secular but, it doesn't work secularly lately. Last government was a hung parliament, however with the rising support (more than 47%) for the conservative party, now we are in the third! four-year term of the parliament with the predominance of the conservatives. And they can play with legislation as they like because of the numbers. The 10% election treshold makes it difficult for other parties to have deputies in the parliament, too.

And now, to prolong its kind of kingdom, the coservative party wants to change the system, they're just trying to figure out what it could be and to get feedback from the opposition, intellectuals and public by speculating things.

At 3:30am on February 16, 2013, Fatma Kurt said…

Sorry, commented on my own wall as a reply! Thanks for the welcome!

(In fact, Islam is the one religion coming to mind along with Turkey, Joseph. And, there are just two sects of it. Also, believe me or not, the fight and the subjects fighted over are aaalll the same. But interestingly enough, even the dialogue between nontheists in Turkey or Turkish platforms is always a fight. The air is never clean. Discussing is something. Fighting is something else. I get a headache even just reading the conversations.

"Stop fighting people!")

At 12:28pm on February 14, 2013, Steph S. said…

At 12:27pm on February 14, 2013, Steph S. said…

Oh hey Joseph! Getting work done is good - more important than a game. Talk to you later. Have a good day.

At 10:36pm on February 13, 2013, Steph S. said…

Hey Joseph! So nice seeing you on Steam.

Have a wonderful Valentines Day!

At 7:55pm on February 7, 2013, Kimberley said…

Yes Joseph, "country" is a very mild way of describing the many towns that fall into the same characteristics. A very kind way, well one of the nicest ways I know to further describe places as these is closed mined. And no I do not dare say the whole town, I am sure there is the minute few that are exceptions.

At 9:02pm on February 3, 2013, Kimberley said…

Hello Joseph, You are right on point the "masses" I may have used that term in referencing to Winston are quite thin and scattered. two qualities that unfortunately make for an easy road to get something started here. As to answer where did I live before moving here, that would be Marshville NC. Trust me don't ask, don't even waste your time looking it up. it is a for or five red light town that lets just say would have me as a witch, a heathen, a devil worshiper or just plain crazy. Trust me when I tell you, Winston is a dream in comparison, which doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement.

At 9:12pm on February 2, 2013, Kimberley said…

Hi... Sorry my response is so delayed. Thanks so much for the gracious welcome. I have actually been in Winston a few years.. it is MUCH more liberal and accepting that where I moved from. However, you are correct in that the groups are almost nonexistent here. Hopefully with education, a voice, and of course "time" that will change.

At 4:16pm on January 23, 2013, Anna Quinta said…

Hi there and thank you for the nice welcome!

Well, I guess when I started to open my eyes I really was terrified. For over 17 years I was a believing catholic. Than my friend told me about Christ and church and Bible and stuff from her point of few and I started to question the hole thing. I stood in that bloody church and it wasn´t okay for me any longer to repeat the creed. Great moment!

All peaked in a great but also disturbing film called "Agora". I just felt ashamed for beeing one of these bad guys. I still do.

But now I´m sitting here - in the middle of an extremly catholic household and watch George Carlin =D

I´m glad, that I woke up early enough.

At 3:09pm on January 23, 2013, Amanda Hendrix said…

I still have family and friends who are highly religious. I don't think they are all lying to themselves. For me, I held out believing in a god because I had believed for so long, it was hard to give that final belief up in god (basically I was agnostic for awhile). For others who believe I think there are many different motivations. For many it's just the culture they were raised with and they accept it because of that. Not so much Pascal's Wager, but their whole lives have been built on these beliefs and practices that they believe and could not imagine life without it. Perhaps too the idea that so many people believe in some type of god, so maybe they are on to something. And they were raised to believe this god and so they accept it. I've known very few people who believe because of Pascal's Wager, but I have known people who were religious because of that so that could be a motivation (this I feel is more dishonest, because they are more likely the people who are not sincere in their beliefs, and more likely to hold dualistic opposing ideas). For others it can be the constant in a tumultuous life. It could be what gives people comfort and hope. I think of religion as a social construct, and enough people feel they benefit from it to continue to buy in to it. I do think that we are social and still mildly tribal, and church can provide some of that feeling of belonging and can provide social ties. I don't know how to totally put this but I'll try, for some they may not have learned the tools to emotionally adapt to deal with the difficult times in life, and by praying it kind of lets people let go of their problems and manage how they feel. For some it may be they are outright lying to themselves, but it's usually more complicated than that. There are so many emotions and such a deep rooted belief that to question it breaks their whole reality. This can be shocking and difficult if there's not support. I don't think I would have come along to my position without the support of my husband and friends who were not religious. There are also a lot of lies in the church that the nonreligious person is unhappy, depressed, angry, lonely. My mom who is still religious sent me a sermon that touched on that, of course the transition can be difficult for some, but ultimately these lies hold people to religion. They refuse to accept that life could be happy, because they've been told it's so horrible. And part of that is because some people who are not religious are not happy, and some find religion and find their own happiness. This of course ignores all the unhappy religious people, and the happy nonreligious people. But I think there is refusal to listen because they may feel they could be convinced and that is scary. Because they don't want to lose their social support, their friends, their happiness. Like I said I lost something like 70% of my friends when I stopped going to church, I was young and had alternative ways to find friends, but others might not have the same option. For some (Mormons, Amish) it could mean losing contact with your whole family. For others it might be physically dangerous to leave religion. But whatever the reason to remain theist it's worth discussing with people and not making assumptions about their belief. They may believe so strongly that they are willing to ignore other ideas, their reality is so real to them they cannot accept other ideas. For others who believe in god but not a church may just need something to explain the things they don't understand, coincidence happens and it can seem like a higher power.

I went to a public high school and took biology and chemistry there, in my biology class I don't really remember evolution. I think it may have been brushed over, I do remember that Noah's flood was mentioned. I don't know if it's the same any more, and it was presented that there was evidence a flood in the Middle East. In high school I ate it up, I participated in and l

At 10:59pm on January 22, 2013, Amanda Hendrix said…

Thanks for the interest, my de-conversion took several years. The short version, I started working after school my senior year in high school where my co-workers were not really religious. I got a dose of what the rest of world was like, that people can be happy and okay outside of church. I had been on edge with the pastor as he had accused me of lying. I moved out of my parents house after high school but kept going to church for awhile. I started trying to date, and struggled really hard to reconcile wanting to date with wanting to not sin. I was dating off and on for a year, the time kind of melts together, but I think in that year I took a philosophy class. I was actually signed up to go to a non-accredited bible college when I met my now husband and I decided not to go (wow life would have been very different for me had I gone!). I stopped going to church. My husband and I talked about evolution which he understood and trusted, I had limited experience with it and didn't believe it. We talked about religion. He had tried Christianity for a couple years and he left because of how LGBTQ's were treated and inability to reconcile religion and evolution. The progression of stopping going to church, questioning the details of the god I was taught about, and realizing the bible wasn't true led me to the point of questioning god's existence completely. The thing that held me out so long was fear or something like that, I grew up my whole life believing in a god, and it was hard to give it up completely so quickly. That's the short story of it.

At 5:28pm on January 12, 2013, Patricia Taylor said…
I am in an army band. And planning for the inevitable demise of the us army. Also a future career in law. Attempted Secular Humanist Chaplain, but it looks like litigation is necessary to make that a reality. Curious... Been vegetarian since childhood, attempt vegan now & again but it never sticks. Are you pro dead animals or anti vegan?
At 4:56am on January 8, 2013, Wyatt said…
So basically eat lots of veggies, don't eat too much fat and sugar, and get plenty of exercise. Got it.
At 10:58am on January 7, 2013, Wyatt said…
How are you holding up against vegan logic? I've decided to retire from evangelical meatdom, but the vegans have yet to convince me that eating some animal matter is inherently immoral. And as far as health is concerned, I would like to know if there is any evidence that modest amounts of animal protein in a low-fat diet with vegetables, fruit, grain, etc. has a negative impact on health. Is the vegan diet somehow qualitatively superior to a well-balanced omnivorous diet even if fat, sugars, fiber, vitamins, and all other things are equal between the two? Have we isolated something hazardous in meat that is absolutely not present in a vegan diet? Or is it just that meat is higher in some unhealthy stuff?
At 4:37pm on January 6, 2013, kelly said…

Even during the holidays I don't go see my family. Just too much tension and not really any desire to be bothered by most of them. Does that sound terrible? 

I never decided on a specific area of medicine, but I had decided against nursing for sure. There are waiting lists for those classes here and as a result, not enough nursing jobs for everyone that graduates. We are, however, short on good doctors. The locals are traveling to other areas just to see a decent doctor (and that includes me too).

I would like to leave this place but that isn't an option right now. Not a whole lot of money or anything. So I do kind of feel like I am going insane a lot of the time. I don't even have TV, internet, or cell service where I am residing currently. Talk about living in the boonies.

At 7:44pm on January 4, 2013, kelly said…

Honestly, I don't go to any family dinners. I hardly ever see my family anymore. I don't really have any long term plans right now. I am just kind of doing a day-to-day thing right now. My dream has always been working in the medical field though. Although any time I mention that around here, people automatically assume I mean 'nurse' because they have the mindset that a woman's position is nurse and a man's is a doctor. 

Let's see, we have a WalMart, McDonald's, Wendy's, etc. Nothing special or exciting in the least. And any new business tends to get shut down pretty quickly. These country folk tend to stick to what they know...life is boring "out yonder" lol.

At 12:44am on January 3, 2013, kelly said…

My family (mostly Catholic) constantly has Fox News on. No kidding, 24/7. I believe they also have it on some nights on the WalMart TVs but I avoid that place so I can't be sure how often...

My father was an alcoholic so my family thought it would be a great idea to move to a place where there is little more to do than drink. Great logic, I know. :P

At 12:26am on January 3, 2013, kelly said…

Around here they all say that the founding fathers were god-fearing, atheist-hating christians. Because, ya know, they knew them personally it seems...lol

I'm from Long Island originally, and I can tell you first hand, where I live now is certainly not a place a nonbeliever wants to live...

At 12:12am on January 3, 2013, kelly said…

Yep, the link is right. Wonder why it is not working for you?

I am just chilling out online for now. Going to head to bed sometime soon, though.

Yeah, Mount Airy is close enough to here. I actually prefer it to Galax as it is bigger. We have strict religious people all over here though. The ones that want atheists out of "their" country...

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