Ugh, yeah, that's probably one of the biggest things that bugs me. It's the myopic, presumptive assertion that everything good in the world is dependent upon their special friend. They just don't even stop to think about their worldview for 15 minutes. They just swallow what is spoon-fed by their preacher.
I don't know that I'd say you're likely to have more of an issue dating older guys, because of the age issue. It's more of an issue with the stage of life. You have a bracket on either side of you: high school --> college --> workforce. Dipping into either side is rough.
Almost all high school students are still in silly mode. A college freshman and a high school senior might be able to manage a relationship, but any gap wider than that will cause issues. I don't care if they're within the age range for which it's perfectly legal for them to have a sexual relationship; they're going to have so many issues relating to each other, mostly likely.
Same issue with a college student and someone out of college. I could see dating someone right at the end of getting her four year degree. By then, she's thinking sufficiently about the rest of her life that we're likely to be on the same page. Dating a graduate student or Ph.D. student would also be fine.
And once someone is out in the workforce full time, I really don't care how far apart we are in age. Dating someone an entire generation-gap apart might be a bit much, but beyond that, I'd have to examine any potential relationship on an individual basis.
There are a few other atheist groups in other cities that took DVD recordings of the shows and had them played on their local access stations. There's never been any broadcast of it, though.
We can have atheist characters on a syndicated show now, and we can get the very rare news segment, but I think we're still another 5 or 6 years off from being able to get a network and advertisers for a show just about atheism. House is about the best we can get ... that and individual episodes on educational shows, like the special on Discovery that Stephen Hawking did, just recently.
Right there with you on the bit about dating theists. I'm completely done with that. I've had a couple of relationships that went south after the girl realized that atheists actually don't believe in God. It's just such a crap-shoot, dating a theist. Is she really okay with me being an atheist, or is she lying to herself or me, and she'll be trying to convert me in 6 months? It's not worth the emotional investment.
The depth of personality thing will come with age, too, unless you want to just date older guys. Dunno how to help you with that, otherwise. :-D Well, at least you'll find a higher percentage of guys who are more interesting. Some men never grow up.
Well, you never get handed a fully-formed, well-thought-out Pascal's Wager. The best you ever get is a vague, "Have you thought about what happens if you're wrong?" or something similarly fear-laden. Most theists have no idea how to do anything more than use emotional appeals and threats.
Pascal's Wager is just the formal, vaguely logical form of that sentiment.
Hmmmm, sounds like that could be a contributing factor, if you grew up within that kind of family dynamic. I can sort of see how you'd withdraw even further, when you grew up surrounded by more aggressive people. Particularly now that you're able to control your exposure to new, potentially-similar people, I can see how you'd be hesitant to expose yourself to more. Sounds like you need a few years of calm me-time.
So, what sort of standards do most of the available men usually run afoul of? You mentioned something to the effect of them not meeting your standards, in the one message thread.
Yup, I saw ... something, somewhere in your profile that said you were Jewish. It might have been something in your 'Latest Activity' section. I don't remember. I just did a quick scan down your page to get a quick impression of you, when I first saw the notice of you joining one of my groups, and that bit stuck.
My favorite argument that I usually get is (of course) a fragmentary, weak version of Pascal's Wager. My response is usually something to the effect of, "Oh, crap, you're right. I really need to become a Muslim so I don't end up in Hell along with you." If I'm in a particularly wacky mood, I might pull out Odin or Zeus, or something along those lines.
Yeah, I figured you meant you were shy in general. I was trying to ask about that ... which I see is kind of a stupid question, now that I look back at it.
Why is any part of your personality like it is? Because of a million little influences while you were growing up, which are generally too difficult to pick apart and examine, decades later. Most people don't have some huge, traumatic event that gave them some personality trait.
Meh, I need to think through my questions a bit better, before I ask them.
Yeah, I've personally had discussions start with the other person asking why I'm mad at God, and they go downhill from there. I had one person ask me if I was a Scientologist. Apparently she saw one of the more anti-Christian Scientology ads but didn't know that ... no, they don't actually follow science but are a cult with their own fantasy stories that are as insane as any religion.
We seriously need more shows like The Atheist Experience, because most believers don't have the first clue about atheists.
Hmm, have a silent syllable. Interesting. Reminds me of a group that the players belonged to, in this one rol-playing game I played many years back. We were the URAK: The Unified Rebel Alliance silent-K. We always said the silent-K when identifying ourselves.
Hmm, you still pronounce that last syllable, though. I like that part. It's a beautiful suffix, despite its religious origin. It's just like any name that ends in 'el', like Michael or Michelle (although we Latinized that one ... wait, that looks more like French or something, maybe; I dunno), is probably a Jewish name that means 'of El', one of the names of God (actually El was a totally separate god from the pantheon that the Jews merged together into their 'monotheistic' god, but that's a whole other discussion).
Similarly, the 'yah' ending means 'of Yahweh'.
Still, I like it. :-)
So, why so shy, that you never get out and meet other atheists?
Heh, no worries. You just have to have your concepts down solid when talking to a theist. They have enough screwed up concepts as it is, from learning everything they know about atheists from their preachers.
Plus, I'm more than a bit obsessive-compulsive, so I would pick apart the semantics of this, even if it didn't matter. :-D
Don't see how I couldn't like your name. It's beautiful. The stress is on the middle syllable, right? Tel-LI-yah?
Atheism is not the disbelief of deities. It's the lack of belief in deities. There's a subtle difference between those two statements.
Address the question, "Do you believe in a god?" If you say yes, you're a theist. If you give any other answer, you're not a theist ... AKA, an atheist.
It's like the words moral, amoral, and immoral. Atheists are that middle category. We also include the extreme side, the imtheists, if we were using the same prefix convention exclusively ... which we don't, because it sounds stupid. The word I've seen many hard atheists use is anti-theist.
That last sentence uses another convention.
Weak/soft atheists disbelieve in gods. They don't make any positive statements about them not existing, though. They just say, "I haven't seen sufficient evidence for the existence of your god. Please provide some."
Strong/hard atheists actively present evidence for the non-existence of said deity.
(A)Gnosticism is more or less as you describe. It represents whether or not you claim positive knowledge for your (dis)belief of deities.
Hi. No problem, not everyone is permanently fixed to the computer as I am. Yes, Tuesday is taken now, but I would still love to have your submission whenever you're finished writing it. There's no need to rush - the blog got some publicity on Friendly Atheist, so there's no huge rush to fill spots any more.
Hey there. Thanks for your interest in the Generation Atheist project. We have a spot for an article next Tuesday (2nd August) that needs filling. Do you think you would be able to write an article by then? No problem if you can't work to that deadline, but I'm trying to organised how I'm going to run the first few weeks of the project as I would like to post something every day as far as possible. Let me know if that works for you, but no pressure!
hi telliyah, i'm well...... surviving this awful heat! do you go to the DAM meetings often? i've been once, it was ok....... i won't be able to go again till sept. though..... maybe i'll see you....... :)
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