Thanks for making me feel welcome! I was born and raised in a small Boston suburb which is like 90% Catholic. I attended CCD at age 13. The more I learned, the less I believed. After a few months, my parents allowed me follow my own journey of self discovery. At 41, I'm still learning. I hope to make some friends and engage in intelligent conversations about the past, present and future that are not occluded by religious dogma.
To Arshad, you are to be congratulated on your well-expressed writing in English and your accurate understanding of religion and the horrors it can and does commit. You are right to say that in the west holding discussions about atheism and theism can look like “a playful intellectual matter” in the sense that it is not dangerous to life; and to say, by contrast, that “when religion is politicized, it turns into a monster ... a direct threat to human civilization process”. One laments how this has come about, in which the brains of religious fanatics operate at such a low level of intelligence whether christian or muslim. And still worse, that Mohammed was likely no more than a smart epileptic, having visions during his fits of near-unconsciousness, and that he and his followers succeeded in fitting his narrow knowledge of a patriarchal desert world into a grander scheme that became a fighting desert religion.
You then say: “I salute to the Western thinkers who have given light to all human beings. The whole literature and whole knowledge is coming from West. It has been a question, how Western mind became curious, logical, pluralistic, and why so called "South" Third World remained intellectually primitive minded... While before few hundred years, Western nations were also in the same conditions.”
Yes, the evil establishment that was pope-led christianity and protestant christianity in medieval times suppressed independent thought for centuries, although gradually a few brave thinkers made small breakthroughs. One of the turning points was the establishment of the Royal Society in Britain in the seventeenth century, supported by the curiosity of the king. Simultaneously, and earlier too, some great minds were at work in France, Germany and Italy, etc. Advances were being made in many sciences, but against some sciences (medicine, cosmology, geology, ‘ORIGINS’ generally) the church held firm. There was no progress in the Muslim countries, for most Muslim states were theocratic states. I need not go on. You know the story well.
I end this brief note by appending a little good news, about the brave Taslima Nasreen. I expect you know this already.
"France comes to the rescue of Taslima Nasreen "
National Secular Society Honorary Associate Taslima Nasreen is to live in Paris, it has been reported. The Bangladeshi writer has been under threat of death from Islamist extremists who accuse her of blasphemy in her writings.
Municipal authorities in Paris will provide her with a large studio in an artists' residence in the French capital, and initially pay her rent. Nasreen, who was made an honorary citizen of Paris in July 2008, put in an application for housing six weeks ago.
"You are at home here, in the city where it was proclaimed that men are born and remain free and equal and nobody can be condemned for their beliefs," Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe said when she was given honorary citizenship.
Thanks for welcome. I am feeling very great to come amongst so rational, enlightened and scientific minded people. Certainly here is lot to share and lot to learn. I have collected your writings and enriching my mind by reading them. You are right to say people like me from underdeveloped and especially Muslim environment are living in "difficult" time. Here is a sea of ignorance, superstition, irrationality, fanaticism... and above all when religion becomes politicized, then, it turn into a monster.. a direct threat to human civilization process...
To be atheist in developed countries is look like a playful intellectual matter.... but to be atheist in economically, socially, and mentally retarded society...is a uphill task.. dare to live among the blinds.. those simply refuse to listen any rational.logic and objective point of view... State, law and society also there to protect and supporting them... Anyway, I believe that the power of science is so great that nobody and no nation how behind is in the process of knowledge, can ultimately afford to refuse to accept the science..and its technological miracles.
I salute to the Western thinkers who have given light to all human beings. The whole literature and whole knowledge is coming from West...It has been a question.. how Western mind became curious, logical, pluralistic, and why so called "South" Third world remained intellectually primitive minded... While before few hundred years, Western nations were also in the same conditions..
I will certainly join the groups recommended by you and participate int the discussions..
You are contributing a great to rational thinking.
Thanks for the welcome. The "Origins" forum sounds nice. I also have an interest in archaeology and anthropology (primarily of the origins of religion). I enjoy some of the literature from the end of the Nineteenth Century and early Twentieth, such as JG Frazer's Golden Bough and Grant Allen's The Evolution of the Idea of God, despite some of their dated terminology. On a side note, I'm sure you've seen the news concerning the Third Century Roman battle site near Hanover.
Thank you for the welcome Dr. Meaden. I have never been believer in any god or supernatural force and I have been fortunate enough to be surrounded by "infidels" throughout my life. AN is another place that I will feel comfortable to discuss my worldviews.
The dig I might volunteer for is studying Hemphillian and Blancan fauna in central Mexico.
My only experience digging thus far was an undergraduate class in which we excavated the ruins of a local church that was slightly older than my Mazda. It was fun, though. And there was speculation that there was a Middle Woodlands village on the site underneath. We did find some evidence to support that, including an object I uncovered that my professor thought might have been part of a medicine bundle.
I see you're an archaeologist. That's cool. What have you worked on? I have an amateur interest in archaeology. I might be volunteering at a dig in Mexico this summer. I would just be doing manual labor, which is fine by me.