I love it when Christians come a-knockin’ at my door. I always invite them in and serve them refreshments. Then I turn the proselytizing table on them.

One time, 2 young Mormon women came a-knockin'. They were both very attractive, polite and wholesome. One of them was black. I asked her why she chose to be a Mormon when the Book of Mormon contains insulting bigotry against black people. Here's the verse I'm referring to:

2 Nephi 5:21
"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."
See also: Mormon 5:15, Alma 3:6, Alma 3:9, Alma 3:14

Can you believe that? God made the descendants of Cain black so that they “might not be enticing” unto white people. Blatant, transparent racism right in the "holy" Book of Mormon! Not only is it racist, it's a bald-faced lie!!

The white woman spoke up for the black woman and said that racism has been renounced by the Mormon church. The black woman agreed.

I asked how the Mormon church got the authority to renounce a verse from their "divinely inspired" Book of Mormon: could they override God's word? They pulled out their "brown books" but could not find an answer.

I then pointed out that if God really inspired the Book of Mormon, it would NEVER need ANY part renounced. That only happens when humans pretend they're God.

I told them that there were already far too many religions in the world before Mormonism came along. How can God blame anybody for choosing the wrong religion? Will he really condemn billions of people to hell because they guessed wrong?

I suggested they keep an open mind and try to place their faith in scripture that doesn't contain ideas and practices that we know are wrong.

What I didn't say was that, if they really tried to follow my advice, they wouldn't find ANY scripture WITHOUT ideas and practices we know are wrong.

I must say that, despite the outcome of our conversation, the 2 young ladies remained open and engaged. I didn’t detect any animosity. However, when they eventually left, they were visibly shaken.

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Comment by Atheist Exile on March 27, 2009 at 9:44pm
Hi John Shuey,

I too might use a sign like yours if the door-knockers came to my house as frequently as they do to yours. I'd say it happens in my neighborhood about 3 or 4 times a year.

To my experience, it seems these proselytizers are trained to keep their cool and not become offensive (or offended) in a stranger's house. A few have offered to send a more experienced person to speak with me and answer questions they can't. I've always refused these offers. It's one thing to entertain the rare door-knocker: it's another to invite them over for a chat. I'm not THAT enamored with proselytizers; they're more like an occasional diversion.
Comment by Atheist Exile on March 27, 2009 at 9:14pm
Hi Buffy,

It appears that, whether you're a savior, a prophet, a saint, a pope or an elder, if you're cynical enough or delusional enough, you too can countermand God's word.

What a racket! Divine revelation is, perhaps, the biggest lie one must swallow to adhere to an Abrahamic religion. Nobody knows anything whatsoever about the supernatural. Never have and never will. Period.

The Torah, Bible, Quran, and Book of Mormon are all based on divine revelation. To accept any of them as the word of God, via divine revelation, is to totally suspend disbelief. That's not faith, that's willful self-deception.

Unless you're a child or an idiot when you acquire faith, you know that your faith was immediately preceded by the suspension of disbelief. You might sublimate or compartmentalize that knowledge but, deep down inside, you have to know that your faith is built on a foundation of deliberate gullibility.
Comment by Buffy on March 27, 2009 at 5:42pm
Any of the Mormon elders/prophets can have "divine revelations" at any time. Those revelations ostensibly come from angels or god himself, and through them the official Doctrine and Covenants of the Mormon Church can be altered. It was through a "divine revelation" that it was determined polygamy was no longer an official practice of the LDS church (conveniently at a time when they were told "cut that out or Utah will never become a state"). It was through a "divine revelation" that blacks suddenly were eligible for the priesthood (right when Jimmy Carter threatened to revoke the church's tax-exempt status for their racist policies).

I wonder how long it will be before they're forced to have a "divine revelation" that hating on gay people is a bad thing.
Comment by dolo724 on March 27, 2009 at 2:44pm
I think I'll use John's sign. We get them occasionally, but the time taken out of my day to respond is sometimes too much. Thanks!
Comment by River Otter on March 27, 2009 at 1:04pm
Freethinker, Well done! :)

John, I love your sign!
Comment by John Shuey on March 27, 2009 at 8:21am
I used to employ similar tactics, but the knocking came so frequently, and at the damnedest times. Now I have a sign on my door that says in part: "If you are here to tell us about your risen christ or god's love, please don't knock. Instead simply bow your head(s) and pray as fervently as you can for the door to disappear. When it does come on in, because we will be very interested in what you have to say."

Needless to say, the intrusions have stopped.

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