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Comment by Tom Sarbeck on September 2, 2014 at 9:37am

The earth can feed, clothe and house 12 billion people...

That reads like the crap I heard in Catholic schools: don't-look-for-happiness-in-this-life-because-only-the-next-life-matters.

Sentient rightly asks What purpose would 12 billion people serve?

A paraphrase: A parent is a papal-slave's way to make more papal slaves.

Comment by Sentient Biped on August 31, 2014 at 10:05am

From a humanism point of view, it would be better to have fewer people and have them live in comfort and plenty, and continue to develop and learn, than to have 12 billion people, with probably 11 billion of them in abject grueling poverty.  That second scenario might benefit some super rich, especially the purveyors of soylent green, Monsanto, Exxon, and Purdue-Pharma.

 

And of those 12 billion, how much of those teeming masses will be ignorant, religious-infested, militant catholics hindus and muslims?  And with the sheer demographic dominance, what effect does that have on quality of life for those who are not among the chosen?

Comment by Loren Miller on August 31, 2014 at 9:56am

I was thinking about "dominate the earth and subdue it" more in terms of what's happened to date insofar as screwing up the environment, both ecological and social.  In that regard, Pat, you're stone on the nose.  We could kill ourselves off after a run of maybe 200,000 years or so and mother Terra would maybe need another million, plus or minus, to clean up the mess and start over.

Homo sapiens has shown how stupid they can be with this planet.  Now can we see how smart they can be?!?

Comment by Pat on August 31, 2014 at 9:41am

Bible says something about dominate the earth and subdue it. True, but mission is far from accomplished! And, I seriously doubt it ever will be.

Drought in western North America, man made climate change which is destroying the very environment in which we live, ebola in West Africa, world wide shortage of potable water, not to mention plundering non-renewable resources. I strongly suspect nature could shake off homo sapiens just as easily as a dog shakes off excess water.

Comment by Loren Miller on August 31, 2014 at 9:28am

Why would we want to have 12 billion people in the world?  What purpose does that serve?

Excellent question!  The bible said something about dominate the earth and subdue it.  Mission Accomplished!!!  NOW what do we do?!?  Bible says ZIP about Step Two!

Comment by Sentient Biped on August 31, 2014 at 9:17am

Modern agricultural practices involve extraction of water from aquifers, and dams/aqueducts to move water vast distances.  There is a limit to the water that can be drilled - and wells are drying up.  Lakes are drying up too.  Irrigation results in increasing salinity of the soil, which destroys the ability of the soil to support crops. 

 

Why would we want to have 12 billion people in the world?  What purpose does that serve? 

Comment by Loren Miller on August 31, 2014 at 8:49am

Hey, I like an occasional felafel and I LOVE hummus ... but the person trying to separate me from my burger will have a fight on their hands!  [grin!]

Comment by Luara on August 31, 2014 at 8:45am

The 12 billion figure also assumes that everyone is primarily vegan, with maybe a little animal food added in.

That would be a good idea, but many people hang on to their steaks, ham and eggs with all 10 fingernails. 

Comment by Luara on August 31, 2014 at 8:41am

We'd be a lot happier and the severe problems of humanity would be much less pressing, if there were maybe ONE billion people. 

Reducing the human population would be a GREAT way to go about addressing our problems, in the long term. 

By birth control I mean - not by warfare or genocide!

Comment by Loren Miller on August 31, 2014 at 8:11am

The hell of it is, we might just be able to - IF we were doing it in a sensible, responsible and globally coordinated way.  The current model is not quite the utter antithesis of that, and of course, therein lies a healthy amount of the problem.  Attendant with that issue is the likely fact that 12 billion people is, in fact, too many for this orb to manage sanely, and that's a whole kettle of fish on its own.

We need to wake up the Kochs and those like them - with a ball bat if necessary.  Get them OUT of politics and to recognize the exigencies both of the climate they're dumping on and the people who will suffer from their irresponsibility before this planet becomes uninhabitable.

It's an order as tall as One World Trade Center, but it has to be done.

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