I am a Secular Humanist and I am usually very tolerant of people and their faith. I Don't argue my belief, unless someone forces me by there inability to not preach, or belittle my opinion. I guess what i am trying to say is I hate intolerance I don't generalize people because of there faith. Here is a story I read today and have been researching a bit.

A Mississippi lesbian who was denied the chance to go to her school's prom is now being targeted by a Kansas-based hate group - and it is going to protest at her graduation.The Westboro Baptist Church, which has drawn jeers for picketing at soldiers' funerals and on Tuesday cheered the deaths of 12 tornado victims in Mississippi, said in a statement last weekend that they will be on hand for Constance McMillen's high school graduation ceremony, the Advocate reported."[We] will picket the graduation of Itawamba Agricultural High School to remind the parents, teachers and students of this nation that God said 'Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind, it is abomination,'" the group declared.McMillen fought a legal battle with her Fulton, Miss., high school after it refused to allow her to attend the prom with her girlfriend. In response to the fight, the school then decided to cancel the prom.She won in court after the judge found that the school had violated her freedom of expression, but did not force the school to reinstate the classic high school event.McMillen then attended a privately held prom, but said afterward that the one she went to was actually a "fake," while most of the rest of her classmates attended another prom she wasn't told about.The 18-year-old received national attention for her battle with the Itawamba County School District. She received a $30,000 scholarship from Tonic.com, a digital media company, during an appearance on "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" in March.McMillen has also been invited to take part in New York City's Gay Pride Parade through Greenwich Village in June.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/04/28/2010-04-28_hate...

I don't blame Christianity on this I blame the Westboro Baptist Church.I will not generalize anyone. It should not be about ones proclaimed faith but about there actions. I have an old friend who is a Christian pastor we get into long discussions about life and faith and humanism. Obviously we disagree on a lot of things but he nor I ever attack each others point of view. He has never preached to me, but always has an open invitation for me if i wanted to hear the word of God. We respect each other very much so. He worries about my salvation I know this by his expression,and non intrusive actions but I am OK with that for I know the nature of his ways. I am happy we have stayed friends (he knew me when I was younger, and still a theist).On the other hand I had a friend who won't talk to me anymore after I proclaimed that i feel that God does not exist. He told me, after I had told him that I was an Atheist, "I want nothing to do with your wicked ways" and never spoke to me again. This person knew me from when I was in High School and we were not real close we were defiantly friends and had shared memories. It was unfortunate that this happened but in retrospect I am glad it did,I do not wish to be near a person who has such intolerance for someone. I love humanity all aspects of it and as long as you do not harm others all religion is ok with me. I have no agenda to disprove God to others, I just want to live with a respect and understanding of everyone. Tolerance lacks on both sides of the coin and i refuse to be part of the spread of hate.

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Comment by Фелч Гроган on April 30, 2010 at 10:19pm
“Islam makes very large claims for itself. In its art, there is a prejudice against representing the human form at all. The prohibition on picturing the prophet – who was only another male mammal – is apparently absolute. So is the prohibition on pork or alcohol or, in some Muslim societies, music or dancing. Very well then, let a good Muslim abstain rigorously from all these. But if he claims the right to make me abstain as well, he offers the clearest possible warning and proof of an aggressive intent.” -- Christopher Hitchens
Comment by Loren Miller on April 30, 2010 at 9:13pm
I've searched my conscience, and I can't for the life of me find any justification for this, and I simply cannot accept that there are on every story two equal and logical sides to an argument.
-- Edward R. Murrow (as purported in Good Night & Good Luck)

The Islamists have had their chance, and they've blown it, from where I sit. The extremists act out like undisciplined children and the supposed moderates do little or nothing in reaction to disavow these heinous actions. If Islam cannot be bothered to either grow a conscience or an awareness that a point of view other than their own exists in the world, then it deserves exactly the consideration one would give to that child in need of discipline and correction ... as well as the requisite corrective action.
Comment by SecularBob on April 30, 2010 at 9:05pm
"that we should respect everybody, no matter how stupid or toxic their beliefs are" No i did not say that if you look again Dr F.

"I love humanity all aspects of it and as long as you do not harm others". I would ask you not to assume anything of me cause no not everyone is entitled to there opinion especially if it is "toxic". I do like your quote and I saved it. I am just wondering how others feel about the same subject, trying to get others point of view to expand myself. I am not here on some be nice to Christians crusade. I do stand behind what i feel that I will judge individuals on there actions not there description. Yes I understand what your saying, and though I may not agree with you totally I do understand (and appreciate) your point of view.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on April 30, 2010 at 8:28pm
SecularBob: Am I skeptical yes but everyone deserves a fair shake.

And I suppose you think everyone is entitled to their opinion. I found a very succinct Harlan Ellison quote on the matter just recently -

Everybody has opinions: I have them, you have them. And we are all told from the moment we open our eyes, that everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Well, that’s horsepuckey, of course. We are not entitled to our opinions; we are entitled to our informed opinions. Without research, without background, without understanding, it’s nothing. It’s just bibble-babble. It’s like a fart in a wind tunnel, folks.

This sense of "entitlement" - that we should respect everybody, no matter how stupid or toxic their beliefs are - is the hallmark of 21st century humanism. I find it nauseating and I think it's a safe bet that the enlightenment humanist founders would too.
Comment by SecularBob on April 30, 2010 at 2:13pm
Jc = I am not saying respect there idea I am not even saying don't speak your mind. What I am trying to say is that because someone is a Christain/Atheist/Jew, should not have a bearing on there actions, its a generalization I know a lot of Secular people of all faith. That doesn't instantly put them in the same category, as extremist. I have no problem with telling a preacher that hes wrong, or a 2012'er is stretching for an answer. I just don't instantly go up to someone that I know is a Theist and instantly think I dislike this person. Am I skeptical yes but everyone deserves a fair shake. I know a lot of us have parents and Grandparents who are also theist would you put them in the same group as the WBC
Comment by Фелч Гроган on April 30, 2010 at 9:58am

Comment by Garrick McElroy on April 30, 2010 at 9:32am
@John D
A better idea is to join them with a sign that has a Leviticus chapter/verse written on it. Yell at the infidels and then, when they begin to trust you, yell out "Repent! Repent your sinful, shellfish eating ways!" That's what I'm gonna do.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on April 29, 2010 at 11:57pm
Yes but so does thousands of charitable organizations, should they be grouped into the WBC?

You call them "charitable organisations". I call them criminals paying reparations after millenia of vandalism.
Comment by SecularBob on April 29, 2010 at 10:32pm
"I'm sure it makes you feel all warm and human, but it is an essential link in the chain without which WBC would not exist."

Yes but so does thousands of charitable organizations, should they be grouped into the WBC?
Comment by Фелч Гроган on April 29, 2010 at 9:35pm
Tolerance and respect are not given. They are earned. It's nice you don't blame xtianity and I'm sure it makes you feel all warm and human, but it is an essential link in the chain without which WBC would not exist. I'm sure the maniacs that comprise it would find other ways to be idiots, but they wouldn't be WBC. Extending "tolerance" to assholes as a default is a far greater problem in the long term than intolerance itself. It's what allows sharia to set up shop in allegedly liberal democracies like Britain. We should be intolerant of naive well-intentioned tolerance.

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