Taken from my blog

It’s been a while since I last posted since classes just started up a little bit ago. One of the classes I’m taking is a comparative religion’s class. The class covers christianity, islam, and judaism. What transpired yesterday in the class really infuriated me.

We were talking about how people always try to rationalize bad events, like tsunami’s, floods, terrorist attacks, etc… One guy raised his hand and stated how god doesn’t do these things for no reason, and something good always comes of it. The problem with this point of view is that it ignores the people who suffered and perished. It’s easy to say something good will come of it if you’re alive or it didn’t directly affect you. But what about everyone else who died? Obviously nothing good was going to come to them, they’re dead.

The guy then pointed out that god does this to teach us a lesson. A lesson?!?! That still doesn’t address the problem of what about all those who died to teach you a lesson? I just feel it’s extremely selfish. I asked him if this included the holocaust, to which he said “yes.”

So you mean to tell me that god allowed SIX MILLION people to be SLAUGHTERED just to teach you a lesson!?!?! Omfg. He said “yes” you this too. Then, upon seeing my anger and shock, he chastised me for “valuing human life too much.” I value human life too much?!?!? Here I’m about to throw up. This is just really fucking sick. I don’t know about him, but here in America we care about human life. Whatever happened to leave no man/woman behind?

I just think it really says something about the nature of religion when you don’t value human life and have no qualms about millions of people being systematically butchered all so you personally can learn a lesson. (Oh, and then he went on to deny that genocide still goes on today….what a fucktard.)

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Comment by Moonbeam on January 31, 2009 at 9:41pm
Same response theists give when asked why god allows babies to starve and die of disease by the millions. Me: Why isn't god helping them? Response: To teach us to be more compassionate! Why aren't YOU helping them? Answer: Um...because I'm not god, and really can't do anything about it, but god is god, and could, if he wanted to? (Or even existed). Duh!

As you say, it's such a selfish, self-centered outlook. People think god is caring for and watching out for them, at the expense of everyone else outside their circle. Very strange.
Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on January 31, 2009 at 8:05pm
Was they guy a muslim, perchance? They have a strong "fate" mentality. You are put here until god decides that you die. It doesn't make much difference what you do, you will die when he is ready for you and not before. So you can take silly risks and not value others lives either.

BTW, what lesson did this guy think god wanted to teach, and who was it aimed at? Was it taught effectively? That is, did the right people "get it"? Or did lots of people get some other message. (Like how cruel this god is?) Could god have taught the same lesson in a less disgusting way? How might a godless humanist have taught this kind of lesson? (Presuming that it would be one a humanist would want to teach.)
Comment by Buffy on January 31, 2009 at 6:11pm
Don't religious people typically claim you have to know and love god to be able to truly value human life? And now you have this nutjob claiming you value human life too much! What a vile piece of tripe. It's disgusting how that "we're going to live forever" garbage gives people the perception that people are just things to be tossed aside like used tissues because hey, god will make more and anyway we'll see them again in heaven (or they'll burn in hell like they deserve if they didn't jump through all the right hoops and if so why should we care?).

Sometimes I want to scream.
Comment by zeeman barzell on January 31, 2009 at 3:50pm
Religion does not value human life. When you die you go to heaven, where it's better and you live forever, with wings, a white dress and harp lessons. OR maybe you'd prefer 72 virgins? The choice is yours!

God likes when people to die. He needs the company. He's a mean, lonely old man.
Comment by Ian Mason on January 31, 2009 at 1:36pm
Where do they come from?. It's hard to believe that they're really human. Aliens, perhaps? That's why they don't value human life. Just ask him if his opinion of the human race is based on being an outsider.
I think I understand your background. I was born and brought up in rural England with old fashioned values, was a boy scout and thought that fairness was the highest virtue the world could aspire to. I'm still pissed off at the world, or those who run it at least, for not even trying.
Continue the quest, good Sir Knight! If we fail, then we fail with honour and self respect intact. If we should win, then what a world it would be!

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