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Comment by Richard Goscicki on October 17, 2011 at 3:30pm Glen, thanks for the comment. Of course you're right. The Jews were not racist at all over the course of history, but were in fact the victims of racism. I didn't mean to imply that. They were persecuted throughout the Middle Ages and beyond.
My favorite character in my novel, Mirror Reversal, is Abe Grossman who tells one hellava story about being a Viet Nam vet and his reception by NYC when he returns after being a "tunnel rat," about the worst job a GI could volunteer for.
The main point I hope to make with this essay is that the Holy Scriptures cause people to categorize one another instead of bringing them together. Why would God create a species and then favor one group over the next? He made them all right? The point I was trying to make is that the Bible endorses and encourages elitism.
The latter is a terrible thing and the cause of much misery. The Good Book should be telling people you're all decendents of worms and fish, and even further back, viruses which make up the vast majority of the genetic code. Most of the DNA in a chromosome has no function at all, it's non-coding. If the Bible had the line, "you're all made of the same crap," we'd be better off today, I'll betcha (as Sarah Palin might say.)
Comment by Glen Rosenberg on October 16, 2011 at 9:07pm Richard, I like your prior essay and this one as well but I take issue with your finding a nexus between chosen people and racism on the part of Jews against Palestinians.
First, chosen people is a conceptual gateway in the transformation from polytheism to monotheism. The Jewish god was originally understood as being the first among other gods and the obligation to this god of Abraham was encouraged by describing the Jews as the chosen people.
Second, it is not credible to take the position that all Jews consider themselves to be chosen. Not after endless persecution culminating in a holocaust. Chosen for what, extinction? Not to mention that Jews have a higher percentage of atheists than most and certainly do not regard themselves as chosen.
And if Jews dont generally buy into this chosen people notion, how can the notion inform the policies with regard to the palestinians? Chosen people, rather than being an impetus for racism on the part of Jews, has been fodder for anti-semitism. So too the idea that Jews are christ killers. In fact the case for religiously inspired racism is more apropos in describing persecution of Jews by Christians and Muslims. And it has been this way for centuries.
Further, the Jews have been amazingly tolerant of Palestinians. Initially offered citizenship all. This after the palestinians tried to eradicate Jews whereas the Jews were initially celebrating the UN's territorial division. And the failure of the Palestinians to compromise is also a result of religiously inspired racism. Read the texts and you will see nothing short of Islamic anti-semitism of the first magnitude. And it is a cultural mandate. And peace is not possible until the influence of islam is diminished.
You are one of the few I have read here who wants to examine the role of religion in causing a blitzkrieg of hate and discrimination and a general fucking over of civilization. I second that effort to expose. I wish there could be a whole encyclopedia of the impact of religion compiled after scholarly research. If religion has done some good then let it be known.
I fear there is a general ignorance of history and religion's role. It would be a better approach for humans and atheists especially to focus on understanding religion's role than in debating whether Jesus was real or the evidence for any theological assertion. You generally cant penetrate the believer's brain when you attack theology. But simply understanding how priests are sex predators and how the pope protects his predators has done wonders to undermine catholic support. That revelation of abuse is of course the tip of the iceberg. Make the moderates understand what they are perpetuating when they walk in the church.
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