The “Historical Jesus” is a Sideshow

Does anyone have a count on how many books and other media materials purport to describe the “real” Jesus? There are so many theories describing a human Jesus that the most important fact about Jesus is lost: the gospel stories about him are mostly myth, if not completely myth.

It was the myth of Jesus that gave him importance. If the stories were based on some real human named Jesus, he was a very insignificant historical person. But, his followers created a mythical Jesus with the gospel stories. It was the myth of Jesus that was the foundation of Christianity. Myths are not true…they are lies. Christianity was built on lies. Today, even many Christians understand that the Jesus story is not true; but, fail to understand that an untruth is a lie.

The search for the historical Jesus is an exercise in grasping at straws to save Christianity. It is a sideshow because the big tent began to collapse with the Age of Reason. The descriptions of a historical Jesus are rationalizations, distracting from the hard truth that Jesus Christ never existed.

Non-believers should avoid being dragged into the delusion of the “Historical Jesus” and concentrate on exposing the lie at the heart of Christianity.

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Comment by Фелч Гроган on September 17, 2010 at 12:08pm
Matt VDB: Any particular reason why you deleted my comments?

Matt, she is deleting pretty much everything that is not in explicit agreement. It follows that she does not want a discussion at all (discussions by definition are a 2 way street) and this blog seems to exist purely as a promotional vehicle. This is typically representative of the "new" Atheist Nexus. Diana made some rather nasty and entirely unjustified accusations against AL-KADIM (you can see them below) because he criticised the content of the blog - essentially accusing him of being a stalker and a hate-monger all drawn from the fact that he criticised the facts. This is what more and more people here do every day - any kind of criticism whatsoever is taken personally and the critic gets accused of harrassment and more. When Faux News or the Chinese government does stuff like this, its bad. But if you do so under the guise of being an alleged freethinker and atheist, apparently its OK. Sorry. It is vile behaviour and it is tolerated, you could even say it is encouraged here. This is a very sad state of affairs. She also deleted my comment pointing all of this out - no doubt she will now delete this too.
Comment by Diana Agorio on September 17, 2010 at 11:33am
Sigmund,
We share very common thoughts on the subject. Plutarch wrote during roughly the same time period as the presumed time of the gospels. He was a high priest of Apollo and quite a scholar. He wrote about religious, philosophical and historical topics. And, his history is critiqued as containing fabrications about real people to fit his philosophical and religious perspectives. No one reads his accounts of pagan gods and then goes in search of real people as the inspiration for those gods. Yet, the Bible, an extremely religious book, is often treated with so much less skepticism than Plutarch.

I think the big problem with Jesus is Joshua. (Jesus and Joshua are the same name.) Joshua's story is treated as if it is a legendary story about a human, rather than a euhemerized story of a god. A significant portion of my work was describing the story of Joshua the god behind the story of Joshua the hero. With Joshua as a god in Palestine long before the 1st century CE, it becomes very unlikely that Jesus was a real person.
Comment by Diana Agorio on September 17, 2010 at 11:18am
Glen - Matt was downright polite compared to the other two. But he has been posting on my blog for a few days now and I notice a pattern. I appreciate his enthusiasm for my favorite subjects; but, his comments do not match his profile.
Comment by Matt VDB on September 17, 2010 at 11:14am
Diana,

"I deleted the comments. It is pretty strange to find atheists acting like what they learned about the Bible is the gospel and contrary views deserve an attack. Questions and discussion are great; but, I am not going to spend all day debating armchair theologians."

Any particular reason why you deleted my comments? I simply answered your question (why you find me debating these issues) and acknowledged your apology. Why does that deserve to be deleted? I'm being incredibly polite here (in contrast to you: you called me a troll) so I have no idea why you deleted my comment.

Glen,

"But it seems to me that Matt's attack was gratuitous and disproportionate like there is some agenda."

What on Earth would be my agenda? And what on Earth have I done here that you think I deserve to get comments removed?
Comment by Sigmund on September 17, 2010 at 11:02am
A final version of my thoughts on the subject can be seen here, if anyone is interested...
Comment by Sigmund on September 17, 2010 at 11:00am
Hi Diana, some good points, although as usual people are ignoring/missing the most important one (the relative insignificance of 'real Jesus' compared to the contruct 'Jesus Christ', and how and most importantly why he/it came to be constructed), in favour of bickering over the usual points.
Comment by Glen Rosenberg on September 17, 2010 at 10:50am
Diana-There is a reality show in nearly every law office. I agree with you that AN is a free market place for ideas. But it seems to me that Matt's attack was gratuitous and disproportionate like there is some agenda. And then his acolytes pile on. Strange.
Comment by Diana Agorio on September 17, 2010 at 10:45am
Glen - I can imagine that you met up with all kinds in the legal profession. I deleted the comments. It is pretty strange to find atheists acting like what they learned about the Bible is the gospel and contrary views deserve an attack. Questions and discussion are great; but, I am not going to spend all day debating armchair theologians. It is fine if people disagree with something I said. But, it is ridiculous to act like questions such as "when was the OT written?' or "was Jesus a real person?" are settled questions. And, to think that an argument on a social networking site is going to settle those questions is also ridiculous.
Comment by Glen Rosenberg on September 16, 2010 at 11:41pm
Diana,
Now I remember why I quit my law practice. So I dont have to deal with wierdos, deviants, miscreants, neerdowells, assholes, at your feet or at your throaters-just to mention a few.
Comment by Diana Agorio on September 16, 2010 at 10:36pm
Yes, Jo.
There is never just one answer or excuse for explaining why no one can find Jesus. I vote for Paulanity too.

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