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Comment by John Camilli on October 28, 2011 at 2:39am

Dude is a horse's ass, lol. But it sounds a little more offensive that way.

Comment by Glen Rosenberg on October 27, 2011 at 9:56pm

John,

What's a matta wit chu? You are making sense.

Dude used to refer to a male. Does it still?

I can tell you from doing legal research that us immigration laws have a long history of racism. Things have improved but it is still the impetus for some shit n shit.

Comment by John Camilli on October 27, 2011 at 9:07pm

Dude, just because you have decided to follow rules that make no sense, don't expect the rest of us to. Slavery was legal once, and I can tell which side of the fence you'd have sat on for that issue, all the while telling people like me that rules are rules and if we would just obey them, we could all get along.

 

Unjust laws don't get changed by everyone following them. They get changed either because they aren't useful anymore or because people simply refuse to follow them and the cost of enforcement becomes greater than the cost of repeal, as is obviously the case with our current immigration laws. Hell, half the crops in the southwest are going to rot this yaer - a multi-billion dollar hit to our economy - because immigration laws have been tightened in several states. And what do we gain from it? We keep a few thousand, or even a few tens of thousands of people from coming here and working their butts off to feed their families. We complain that they are taking our jobs, but when we boot them out, where are all the Americans waiting to step up and take those jobs they were clammering about? Nowhere. There are jobs and billions in potential revenues just sitting out in the sun, waiting to be picked, but no Americans will do it. So was the issue really about us wanting the jobs the immigrants were doing or was it that we don't want to see more brown people in our country. That's a rhettorical question, obviously, we know the answer already. You and I may not personally be racists, but those laws are, and vicariously so are the people who abide and enforce them.

 

As for the safety issue, Americans are easily among the most violent people in the world. And a lot of that violence is created by unfair drug and immigration laws. Take alcohol laws for example: veeeeery few problems with drugs and alcohol in Europe and Asia....because they don't make stupid laws that try to over-restrict people's treatment of their own bodies (and no, that doesn't mean I think people should be allowed to drive around drunk and endanger others, but if I want to grow a plant, light it on fire, and suck in the smoke in the privacy of my own home, or distill some plants and guzzle them down, who the hell is the government to tell me I can't? And for what possible reason?). If anything, easing up on the laws and letting people immigrate here more easily would probably decrease the amount of violence in this country.

 

Why do you think we have accumulated so many enemies? Because we insist on judging and telling everyone what to do. Why do you think we are so violent? Because we think we have the RIGHT to do that, and when they resist our answer is to kill or economically enslave them. Tightening those reigns is not going to make people less violent, it's going to make them worse. Y'know the Germans once got it into their heads that they had the right to tell everyone what to do, and frankly I think that's the path America is headed down. Only we're less obvious about it. We conquer people financially and with paperwork so thick you couldn't read it all in a lifetime.

Comment by United Under One on October 27, 2011 at 12:26pm

John- I sense some anger in your voice, and that is simply not how America will solve any of its "issues".  Whether I think the laws "we" put in place when "we" came here are valid or just, doesn't mean that I just simply don't follow them.  Just as any American has to follow the rules, whether we believe them or not, so should the illegal immigrants.  I'm not saying to stop ANYONE from coming to this country, but don't think you there's also a safety issue involved??  We have so many people already in this country who are dangerous and violent people, that if we don't put some type of protection for entrance, this country could be even worse off... especially with all of the enemies we've accumulated over the years.  Looking forward to your thoughts...

Comment by John Camilli on October 26, 2011 at 8:45pm

You really see a difference between being an American and being an "illegal" immigrant? Our ancestors came here to start a new life, to get away from the oppressive and depressing state of their own countries. That's exactly what today's immigrants are doing. And just because we got here "first" (lots of sarcasm there, since this country was already occupied), and then made laws about anyone else coming here because we realized what a great monopoly we had (after stealing it all from the natives, of course), doesn't make our occupation more legitimate than theirs.

 

You say America does enough judging, but you are perfectly willing to continue judging people who aren't Americans. What you really want is to judge but not be judged. I'm not trying to be a dick to you, but the hypocracy of your words is pretty stark.

Comment by AtheistTech on September 29, 2011 at 12:21am

Folks, if there was no religion, would it be easier to get to a point where there are no borders?

Comment by Jeremy on September 28, 2011 at 4:24pm

Keep in mind people, there is a valet point in stating that borders should not be crossable on a whim, and that by having a an oppressed group of people with no legal way of working does cause a cheap slave class that under minds employment wages. How we deal with this is a whole other discussion, but there nothing wrong with saying that people should obey the law. As somebody who is Canadian and entered the united states to work through frustrating, but legal, means, it does seem unfair to me that those who didn`t do any of that get a free pass. I worked hard to be able to do it, it cost me a lot of time and money. I had to prove i had a skill that could not be easily filled by others, among other things.

Comment by United Under One on September 28, 2011 at 10:56am

John Camilli- "(My country) tears of thee."  I live in America.  I am an American, 5th generation, and I share your thoughts on the destruction brought by my own country and others, and yes I do have passion to Central and South America, and to other people who suffer . That's part of being human being... But I also work for a living and I believe all Americans have a voice, or should have a voice, on how their money is spent.  To me, there is a difference between being a 5th generation and an illegal alien.  Too many bullies have shut people up for a long time.  I don't respond well to bullies.  This very dialogue is against the principles of uniting under one, a feeling of compassion and caring for each other.  The original comment was on a political move of convenience to segregate people, not to unite people.  That's why I joined this website, to unite, to help and share.  America does enough judging and that's the type of people we don't need to be around.

Comment by United Under One on September 28, 2011 at 10:43am

Cane Kostovki- Having moral feelings for other people is a human value I embrace.  This has nothing to do with the existence of God or lack thereof of God. As an Atheist I'm still a loving and caring person and I feel we do have an obligation to each other.  That's true belief.  That's true harmony and that's true freedom.

Comment by Steph S. on September 28, 2011 at 9:57am

Yeah, it's hurting him in the polls too.  I read that he didn't do too well in the debate when they asked about illegal immigration and in-state tuition rates.

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