"I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them.” – Jerry Falwell
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Comment by SteveInCO on March 12, 2013 at 7:14am PS there are other variants of that but I like this one in particular because the eyes are forced to sweep across the two missing buildings.
I played tourist in NYC in the early 80s and got to visit the observation deck at the WTC, and even now when I realize I cannot go back and do that ever again, and why, I start to get angry all over again.
Comment by SteveInCO on March 12, 2013 at 7:11am I was surprised to discover at a recent Richard Dawkins event held here (actually he was really there to help sell a book on Good News Clubs--a truly awful stealth thing going on in a lot of schools, but that's a slightly different topic) that at least some of the college age attendees appeared to be unfamiliar with this:
At which point I was forced to realize that for them, 9/11 happened a long time ago, way back in childhood, and this sort of thing, which went around a lot back then, might be news to them.
Comment by Dennis Michael Pennington on March 12, 2013 at 6:52am It's amazing how many people think we live in a nation founded on religious principals, but that idea simply does not hold water. Prayer in schools, the now "banned ritual", is one thing they all cry about. Oh, and they want it back. Let's get God back in our schools where he belongs. Imagine this. Little Johnny prays that he does good on the history test, but he doesn't like a classmate and asks God to let that one fail. The irony of this childish crap is that it carries over into adult life and the morons believe it. Let the special favors begin. We need well remember that 9-11 was about religion too. The difference is that it was not about the religion of most Americans. Time for us all to wake up here.
Comment by SteveInCO on March 11, 2013 at 9:40pm Grinning Cat, I've seen that alternate-nightmare-universe preamble somewhere else.
Perhaps in Sean Faircloth's book?
Comment by Tom Sarbeck on March 10, 2013 at 5:09am Jay T, in my not-at-all humble opinion (that will be IMNAAHO), your research, your reasoning, and your essay deserve the highest award an American president can give.
The theocrats will of course ignore it; we have to outnumber them. Happily, their extremism wins allies for us.
Does anyone see a benefit in addressing the emotions that win allies for them, fear being one such emotion?
From Jim Huber at http://www.jhuger.com/christian-nation :
The Founding Fathers had no reason to be vague. There was no ACLU, no "Activist judges." If they had wanted a Christian Nation they could have written:
God Almighty, in Order to form a true Christian Nation, establish Divine Justice, insure adherence to His Laws, provide for the defense of His Church, promote His Word, and secure His Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, has led us to ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
[...] The Founders were all men; White men, many of them slave owners [...] who may or may not have been Christians, but explicitly forbade any kind of religious test for office. In other words, you have a far stronger case if you'd like to argue that the Founding Fathers intended us to be a racist and sexist nation.
Comment by Secular Forces 2013 on March 9, 2013 at 10:27pm if this is not a case against any flavor of religi'tardation i dunno what is..
http://www.linktv.org/video/6980/the-miscreants-of-taliwood-promo
warning; weak of heart or nightmare prone.. don't watch
Comment by Loren Miller on March 9, 2013 at 2:51pm No shit, Sherlock.
The problem as I see it is this: those in the US who cling to their antiquated faith KNOW at some level that they live in a secular nation. These same people are being goaded by their leaders (who also know better) to push a christian agenda because it means more goodies for them:
The United States of America was the first nation ever NOT to be underwritten by a religion or to have religion as an intrinsic part of its structure. Religion, specifically christianity, couldn't help but notice that, and has been trying to write itself into the government ever since. We see this in everything from putsches against abortion and stem-cell research to the teaching of creationism / intelligent design / whatever in our schools. It gets even more extreme when you start looking at movements like dominionism - the New Apostolic Reformation - which wants to displace the current government in favor of one where all aspects of human life are overseen by a biblical authority.
The might have gotten away with it, too ... if 9/11 hadn't happened. Part of the primary fallout from those attacks was a renewed and invigorated scrutiny of religion, initially Islam, but eventually, Christianity and Judaism and others would fall under the microscope as well. Names started to show up on conversations about religion, names like Dawkins and Dennett and Harris ... and Hitchens ... because the men associated with those names began to do something that had heretofore been unthinkable: they openly criticized religion, dissected it with scalpel-sharp logic while showing off its nonsensical and irrational bases. They sowed the wind, and their harvest was a whirlwind of people who were no longer cowed by the seemingly immovable monolith of organized religion. These people spoke up in the new media of the internet, becoming bloggers and vloggers and vocal critics of religion, giving their own expression to how they saw this longstanding institution and their rejection of it. Put simply, the battle was joined.
And still is. Religion is in trouble now. It knows this and is reacting. Yet I can't help but notice that, for the first time since who knows when, the christian protestant population in the US dropped below 50% last year, an astonishing occurrence, and there is more talk about non-belief here than ever before. Do we have a slam dunk? I for one don't think so, nor does anyone else with a brain in their head.
But long term? Religion will never be the same ... because we won't let it.
Joan Denoo replied to Sentient Biped's discussion Origins of Religion in the Paleolithic Age in the group Getting Religion© 2013 Atheist Nexus. All rights reserved. Admin: Brother Richard.
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