OBAMACARE SUCKS!!! The best health care is preventation!!

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Comment by Nathan Ortberg on July 14, 2012 at 11:25pm

I think the problem truly lies in changing society. The American dream is remnant. There is no focus on education or learning, and it is not valued or respected in a large part of our society. There are a few things that I really feel we can do. Number one has to be changing our education system. It's pretty pathetic, and we need to hold our children to a higher standard, the question is, how do we inspire them to achieve a higher standard? 

Well, I assume everyone here is familiar with Neil deGrasse Tyson. He speaks often and very passionately about the importance of the space program and furthering space exploration. One of the biggest reasons he gives is because Americans need a dream again. We need something to hope for. When we were widely considered the most powerful and arguably greatness nation on Earth we gave up on space. We gave up on dreaming. Essentially we took the American dream to be the norm and believed we wouldn't need to inspire children to dream and reach for these goals, as we arrogantly assumed we would all reach a comfortable living situation with a family and home. As this happened we steered clear of more demanding education, and holding our children to a higher standard, the massive middle class was living the American dream, and surely anyone could easily obtain it. 

Now there is a terrible wealth disparity and the middle class has all but disappeared and no one even remembers the American dream. America was where every individual had the opportunity to succeed, a competing free market for industry and flourishing economy. We forgot we need to secure that for future generations. We abandoned space in favor of wars against "enemies" that "hate us for being free and prosperous" forgetting that we were quickly increasing military occupation in their nations. 

We have to take a stand to restore America to what we all once knew it to be. Restore faith and hope in Americans and encourage our children to dream, and work to obtain those dreams. In order to do that we must raise the bar for education, restore individual liberties that have been stripped, and provide an advancing future in things like the space program that give people a reason to be proud of America, and have faith in America once more. Pioneers of industry and true patriots of liberty were the what made America great, it's time we give people an America they can believe in again. 

Comment by Tonya Wynn on July 7, 2012 at 2:52pm

I fight with myself about kids and welfare, Nathan.  I HATE having to9 pay 2/3's of my property tax bill to pay for someone else's kids.  I have none and want none.  These kids grow up expecting a handout.  They don' always study in the free schooling they get and often fail out or drop out.  I'm torn.  I DO think that a bill of some sort should be sent to their parents.  If those parents ever do come into any money, they should have to pay it back...just like with federal college loans.

Comment by Tonya Wynn on July 7, 2012 at 2:47pm

Greg, I am for most immunizations, but not all. Prog Girl, health insurance is NOT prevention exactly.  Eating right, exercising  and avoiding dangerous acts or places or people IS.  I live in GA where nearly everyone is obese and the few who aren't smoke and eat a diet of pure junk food and probably drink, too.  They don't respec their bodies and therefore, themselves.  I think we need to focuse on this underlying problem a bit more.  Another problem is that both sodas and cigarettes and desserts/junk food are allowed to be purchased on foodstamps.  This sends the wrong message.  Some groups have tried to sue the gov't to stop allowing unhealthy items to be purchased with foodstamps/EBT, but the big companies won.  On the Foodstamps poster in the grocery store. one major company advertises (descreetly) their over-processed products.  Fascism, pure and simple. 

Comment by Steph S. on July 5, 2012 at 11:01pm

Interesting discussion I enjoy reading all the replies - lots to think about here.

Comment by Greg LeGore on July 3, 2012 at 9:12pm

@Tonya:  The science strongly demonstrates that immunizations are a powerful, efficient, effective public health measure.  Is there recent evidence, of which I am unaware, which makes the case that immunizations' danger now outweighs their benefit?  If that is not the case, then it is misguided to avoid immunizations and place children in danger - as do the parents who made decisions to not immunize in CA, where various outbreaks of fully preventable diseases, such as whooping cough, are now becoming more common.

Comment by Prog Rock Girl on July 3, 2012 at 4:12pm

Sure prevention is the best health care. And health insurance is usually how people get to have preventative care, such as checking cholesterol, blood sugar, screening for illnesses.

Eating right is great, let's just hope you don't have some allergy to otherwise healthy foods that you are unable to pinpoint without allergic tests, which usually require insurance. Food allergies aren't always obvious and without tests all you have to go by is trial and error; in the meantime some food allergies are fatal.

The rest of the things you mentioned are nice suggestions in general and have some effect on health but expecting them to prevent or cure all illnesses is just new age nonsense.

Comment by Nathan Ortberg on July 3, 2012 at 4:04pm

I also have to ask why do other people's children become the responsibility of the government? Sure, we should make sure kids have proper healthcare, and there is MAYBE some place for that, but I think it is better left to charitable organizations than the government. People having children and expecting that the government should provide for them is a major issue. I know it sounds cold, but the only way things change is when that personal accountability smacks you across the face and life kicks you in the ass. If the government keeps rushing in to rescue everyone from their poor decisions they will continue to make poor decisions. In America we are essentially rewarded for bad choices. We are actually conditioned to make poor choices, especially economically, because in so many different cases the government will save you and it will actually work out better than if you made the right choice, though the more difficult one, and did it on your own. 

Comment by Nathan Ortberg on July 3, 2012 at 3:56pm

It makes sense to have a competitive market that produces affordable health care solutions available to all Americans. It does not make sense for the government to mandate that we have to purchase health insurance. People have this notion that this will somehow drive costs down. It won't. We have seen these kinds of things before outside of healthcare and it doesn't work that way. 

The government subsidizes student loans...cost of education goes through the roof and continues to climb as the bubble continues to deflate. Also one could argue that the quality of education has significantly declined, which I believe will be true with health care as well. 

How about housing? We all know what happened when the government got involved there. Insurance companies operate on the practice of having to pay out very little. Once everyone in America is mandated to purchase health insurance, of course they will use it, and frivolously as well. People are going to run to the doctor for everything. Health care providers will raise the prices ridiculously because they know everyone has insurance. Eventually the insurance companies just like mortgage lenders are not going to be able to sustain in that climate, paying out ridiculous amounts of money to health care providers, and in comes the government to bail out another "too big to fail" industry. This belongs in the private sector and individuals are responsible for their own healthcare and well being, and insurance companies and health care providers are responsible to keep things manageable and a free market that applies pressure through competition would achieve this. Those unable to adapt would go under. All this croni-capitalism and socialism is destroying us from the inside out, and if people don't wake up now the point is fast approaching when it will be too late. 

Everyone is focusing on the bleeding heart idea that we have to make sure everyone is taken care of. I am sorry, and I don't mean to be harsh, but no. Absolutely not. Every American is not every other American's responsibility. No more having the government hold our hands and use our money deviously. The nanny state is ridiculous, if people want to be taken care of move back to your mother's house and she can sing you a song and rub Vicks on your chest when you're sick. People need personal accountability and personal responsibility. Middle aged children suckling from the government is pathetic. It's flat our socialism and socialism leads to tyranny. Every time. Check the history books. This can not stand any longer people. 

Comment by Tonya Wynn on July 3, 2012 at 2:32pm

Greg, the Health Dep't already offers free immunizations!  I'm for most of those shots, but not all of them.. Some may contain live virus that could later lead to cancer, since we now know that viruses can cause cancer.  Poor argument.

Comment by Tonya Wynn on July 3, 2012 at 2:30pm

Genes, matter, Alan, better prevention more so.  That includes avoiding chemicals and accidents and dangerous people.  We can avoid getting ripped off or dating an abuser/cheater/addict.  Prevention in all areas.  We need to teach our children in school that their brain is their power, if they choose to use it, and NOT the gov't or the group or the mob. Or god/the church!  we need to teach critical thinking and make it 'cool' to think, to be an individual, to be PRO-active!

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