If Christ Was God (By Permission of Andrew of Philosophical Atheism)

If Christ was in fact God, he knew all the future.

Before Him like a panorama moved the history yet to be. He knew how his words would be interpreted.

He knew what crimes, what horrors, what infamies, would be committed in his name. He knew that the hungry flames of persecution would climb around the limbs of countless martyrs. He knew that thousands and thousands of brave men and women would languish in dungeons in darkness, filled with pain.

He knew that his church would invent and use instruments of torture; that his followers would appeal to whip and fagot, to chain and rack. He saw the horizon of the future lurid with the flames of the auto da fe.

He knew what creeds would spring like poisonous fungi from every text. He saw the ignorant sects waging war against each other.

He saw thousands of men, under the orders of priests, building prisons for their fellow-men. He saw thousands of scaffolds dripping with the best and bravest blood. He saw his followers using the instruments of pain. He heard the groans—saw the faces white with agony.

He heard the shrieks and sobs and cries of all the moaning, martyred multitudes. He knew that commentaries would be written on his words with swords, to be read by the light of fagots. He knew that the Inquisition would be born of the teachings attributed to him.

He saw the interpolations and falsehoods that hypocrisy would write and tell. He saw all wars that would be waged, and-he knew that above these fields of death, these dungeons, these rackings, these burnings, these executions, for a thousand years would float the dripping banner of the cross.
He knew that hypocrisy would be robed and crowned—that cruelty and credulity would rule the world; knew that liberty would perish from the earth; knew that popes and kings in his name would enslave the souls and bodies of men; knew that they would persecute and destroy the discoverers, thinkers and inventors; knew that his church would extinguish reason's holy light and leave the world without a star.

He saw his disciples extinguishing the eyes of men, flaying them alive, cutting out their tongues, searching for all the nerves of pain.

He knew that in his name his followers would trade in human flesh; that cradles would be robbed and women's breasts unbabed for gold.

And yet he died with voiceless lips.

Why did he fail to speak? Why did he not tell his disciples, and through them the world: "You shall not burn, imprison and torture in my name. You shall not persecute your fellow-men."

Why did he not plainly say: "I am the Son of God," or, "I am God"? Why did he not explain the Trinity? Why did he not tell the mode of baptism that was pleasing to him? Why did he not write a creed? Why did he not break the chains of slaves? Why did he not say that the Old Testament was or was not the inspired word of God? Why did he not write the New Testament himself?

Why did he leave his words to ignorance, hypocrisy and chance? Why did he not say something positive, definite and satisfactory about another world?

Why did he not turn the tear-stained hope of heaven into the glad knowledge of another life? Why did he not tell us something of the rights of man, of the liberty of hand and brain?

Why did he go dumbly to his death, leaving the world to misery and to doubt?

I will tell you why. He was a man, and did not know.

--Robert Ingersoll

~Andrew Philosophical Atheism

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Comment by Michael Penn on November 15, 2013 at 6:33am

Imagine for a moment that it's all true. Christ and god are one and they exist inside one head. Where would you find god? Most likely down at the local psyc hospital under lock and key. Add yet a third person and it gets even worse. Now we know that the book of Revelation came from all those meds.

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 10, 2013 at 3:15pm

I can't believe my typos!
Should be...

"Anthony, thank you for posting this"

Damn ipad.  OK, it's my damn ineptitude with ipad, but I have to blame something!  :-)

Comment by Sentient Biped on November 9, 2013 at 7:05pm

Anthiny, thank you fot posting this.   Very moving.

Craigart - it googles to here.  Roughly 38 or so paragraphs into Ingersoll's introduction.  I did not compare word for word to see if there is paraphrasing.

I love Ingersoll's powerful intellect, his passion, his dedication, his courage.  He was every bit as powerful as any of today's outspoken atheists, and then some.

Comment by Luara on November 9, 2013 at 6:37pm

It reminds me of Dostoevsky's Grand Inquisitor.

Comment by Craigart14 on November 9, 2013 at 6:23pm

Now that passage from Ingersoll is one hell of a powerful argument against Christianity.  Which of his writings does it come from?

Dennis, I seem to think that docetism was the idea that Christ was not a man at all but only seemed to have flesh and blood.  Isn't that why Doubting Thomas insisted on seeing His wounds?  Jesus shows up and invites Thomas to stick his hand inside the spear wound in his side, laying docetism to rest.  The gospels do argue for somewhat different theologies.

Comment by Grinning Cat on November 8, 2013 at 8:30am

I remember hearing a talk, years ago, about the evolution of Christianity, arguing that Jesus didn't consider himself God; all that was added later, with the after-the-fact gospels made to fit.

Comment by Michael Penn on November 8, 2013 at 7:06am

A very moving piece that should make anyone think.

On the lighter side, what I've always wondered is how he prayed to himself with great tears that the "passion" (or death by crucifiction) should pass him by. I can imagine him climbing a step ladder to do the "god" part of this intense praying, then getting down again to do the "jesus" part. This goes back and forth for some time but doesn't cover the holy spirit. Oh, wait. He was holding the step ladder.

Then we see that the Gospel of Peter was not included in the bible. Some wonder why. It is filled with words that appear to support docetism. When jesus was on the cross he felt no pain and said nothing. He finally remarks simply that his power had left him. God the man went up, and jesus the man died. He was a shapeshifting enigma that could take on many forms. The religious world wanted him to be both man and god, and for all of this to succeed there had to be suffering! There has to be the shedding of blood. Sorry, Peter. You were an important apostle but your gospel did not make it into the bible.

Comment by Loren Miller on November 8, 2013 at 6:58am

I and my father are one.
-- John 10:30

So ... either he was lying through his teeth there (a possibility I have no problem contemplating), or his dad ain't all that and a bag of chips ... OR ... NEITHER of them exist as reported by the bible.

Personally, I'll take Door Number Three, Monty.

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