When I first heard about a bus crash in Indianapolis killing 3 people, I cringed, as I do with most tragedies. How awful, I think.

But when I discovered this bus carried Baptists returning from a church camp, I said out loud, "Ha!". It was a spontaneous outburst. Why? I'm sure you know. Their all-loving, caring, saving (etc.) god failed them.

I know it's wrong, but I get some sort of perverse joy out of lightning burning down a church. I can just imagine the congregation asking why the lord would do such a thing.  We get the same old responses of "greater purposes", "it will strengthen our faith", "the lord works in mysterious ways", etc. 

It continues to baffle me to understand the inanity behind such thinking.  I just want to shout, "Don't you all get it? There is no god!!" Enough of the excuses and rationalizations. That's why I say "Ha!" when tragedies befall believers. Am I bad?

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Comment by Michael Penn on August 1, 2013 at 12:59am

I agree with Pat on this whole heartedly.

Also, I see where Joan is coming from. Let's suppose there was prayer and she was declared "healed." Then it only lasted for a short time. It came back. The faithful would make up every reason under the sun for Joan to be the cause of her own illness!

What an ignorant and corrupt belief system. God is imaginary.

Comment by Pat on July 28, 2013 at 10:55am

Joan, whether or not that's you on chemo, you're still a great chick! ;-)

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 28, 2013 at 10:48am

NO! Of course you are not bad! You give a reasonable response to delusional thinking. It is the belief that they somehow have protection from a higher power than the rest of us that gets in my craw. They somehow have the answers to challenges because of some mystical savior coming to rescue them from pain and suffering. 

My very devout born-again christian cousin, upon learning I had breast cancer, wondered if I asked why it happened to me.  OF COURSE NOT!  I am exposed to the same environmental contaminants as everyone else, I eat contaminated foods permitted by FDA rules. I have a genetic history of breast cancer in my genes. WHY NOT ME?

The test is, given that I have cancer, how do I make my decisions about its treatment? From where do I get my internal strength and resilience? Do I have a support system that will sustain me through it all? All these things require my thoughts, questions, decisions, actions, and coping strategies. There are no magic words, or trinkets, or saviors. There is no god. 

As to prayers, I would far rather have some concrete action, i.e. rides to chemo treatments, holding my head when I can't stop the heaves, fixing me a nourishing small meal, or if that is not possible, raising money for cancer research, volunteering at a cancer care facility. Stuff like that. Get up of their knees, put their clasped hands to some useful endeavor, and find ways to make me laugh.  

I must confess, chemo is tough. I feel like crap a huge part of the time. How I respond to feeling lousy is up to me. My spirits remain high, even as I would like to crawl into my compost heap and let the worms take over. 

Me, on chemo!

Comment by Loren Miller on July 28, 2013 at 10:15am

These people may need a lot of things, including but not limited to:

  • Blood donations
  • Rehabilitative therapy
  • Help taking care of their kids
  • A few bucks to help them out while they're out of work, owing to their injuries

Prayer supplies none of the above.  Indeed, prayer, as many have observed, is the attempt to act as though one is doing something to help while in fact one is doing NOTHING.

If you really want to insult someone who is hurting, tell them you'll pray for them.

Comment by jay H on July 28, 2013 at 10:10am

What I noticed is the comment by someone that these people "all need your prayers...". Fat lot of good prayers did. And that there is always the likelihood that, had no one been seriously hurt, it would have been declared a miracle of God's protection.

But it's still tragic, no matter who the victims are, and I would never say those things (unless some religionist drags up the subject first)

Comment by Napoleon Bonaparte on July 28, 2013 at 8:19am

Comment by Pat on July 28, 2013 at 7:33am

Damn, Randall. I'd be critical as hell had I not had the exact same reaction when I read the same story. Yes, I'm sorry for the 2 adults and 1 teenager who died. It's tragic. But whenever a tragedy befalls the religious, and I start hearing about "god's will," "his higher purpose," or the nauseating phrase "he needs more angels," I want to either scream or puke. 

From what I've read, it appears the brakes may have failed on the vehicle. At least that's what the driver claims. The one thing you won't hear, however, is that god's a shitty mechanic. Why deal with reality when you can make up non-existent excuses to justify a random calamity?

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