When theists (Christians mostly) use the old watch maker argument because "The world is too complex to happen by chance." The counter argument is "Then God is much to complex to happen by chance." They normally counter with a few things "God is outside space and time; therefore he needs no creator." I couldn't help but say "What?!" I find this answer to be nonsense. How could anything exist outside space and time? How do you know this (bible verses). And how does this stop God from needing a creator at all? Also, they will state that "God is not natural, he is supernatural and does not require a creator." So, I guess that they can declare their creator the only exception to said rule "everything need a creator".
I've pointed out to a few Christian's that I could very well say the same thing "The Flying Spaghetti monster says your God doesn't exist, so therefore he can't." Just saying something doesn't mean it's true.
What do you say when headed with this "God is outside space and time" stuff? Is it complete BS argument?