Answer this for me please because I'm confused. How does one deny the existence of something that doesn't exist?

I came to Atheism after being pastafarian and at that time I believed that the "great spaghetti monster in the sky" did exist, does this put me in the position of denying the existence "of his great noodly appendageness," because I have chosen to not believe in it?

I guess to simplify this; Once I have knowledge of something, then does that something always exist no matter what I might believe now?

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Comment by Johnny on October 9, 2009 at 10:57am
Oh yes! Atheism is horribly smeared because we ignore all false notions of truth and get the "well why are YOU so sure YOU'RE right" speech.

Absolute bullshit. Atheist/agnostics are the only ones who profess NOT to have truth and that it is ok to not know what absolute truth is.


I do believe there is no god. I have no evidence but I maintain that if there WAS then we could not possibly justiy his existence, nor can we know what he wants and he is therefore irrelevent to me living my life. People try to paint god as having humanlike qualities and that would make him completely useless as a god who sets a divine moral example.

A more accurate word for atheism (god bless Hitchens) is anti-theism. I reject all claims of organizations that are arrogant enough to "know" fucking anything about god.
Comment by Bubba Tarandfeathered on October 9, 2009 at 2:33am
Maybe the definition of Atheist should be: An Atheist is a person who believes that there are no imaginary (supernatural and or paranormal) beings.
Comment by Bubba Tarandfeathered on October 9, 2009 at 2:16am
But even that definition needs clarity, by using the word god or gods I authenticate or validate the existence of such a being. The semantics are important to me because I believe that there are no beings of supernatural phenomena outside of known science.

If a religion freak comes to me and states, "jesus loves you" I request of the person making the statement to define what is a jesus.

I sometimes go one step further and state, "There is no known phenomena named jesus and you must be suffering from a delusion, I can assist you in getting medical treatment if you want it."
Comment by Bubba Tarandfeathered on October 9, 2009 at 1:58am
http://www.answers.com/atheist

One who disbelieves or "denies" the existence of God or gods.

I guess I'll go back to the original question, and try to ask it differently. If an atheist does not believe in theism how does that put him in a state of denial?

the way I see it: An atheist is a person who believes and does not deny that God's or Deities do not exist.

See it is in the way that the definitions are being expressed; one way makes it seem as if I am in denial of something that does exist and the other makes the definition clear that I know that they do not exist.
Comment by Bubba Tarandfeathered on October 9, 2009 at 1:44am
Actually I've been an Atheist/Freethinker for 20+ years now. I am still running into words like denial in dictionaries and other places and it pisses me off. I think the explanation of what an atheist is is lacking in clarity.

If an atheist believes that god doesn't exist how can he be in denial?
Comment by Johnny on October 9, 2009 at 1:38am
Once I am through my logic process, I feel I'm right because there is no proposed logical alternative that I have yet encountered once god is unpacked.
Comment by Johnny on October 9, 2009 at 1:36am
Brad- I take it you are a somewhat new atheist? You seem to be struggling. Let me help. Why don't you start a blog listing all of the reasons that you possibly think that god is still valid and ok to believe in and I'll do my best to explain my point of view. I think that I have effectively logically eliminated all arguments about why we should not deny that we know anything about the idea of god (message me when you do! I love to help in things like these!)
Comment by Bubba Tarandfeathered on October 8, 2009 at 2:25am
If I once made the choice to believe that something existed then made the choice to not believe that it exists, is that an act of denial? There is no way, that I know of, to erase the memory of my choice to believe, because if I understand how our brains work, both choices remain in memory and one does not cancel out the other (which would make life so easy). I guess I've answered my own question, because ultimately it comes down to how I feel about one choice over the other, I feel that not believing is the correct choice.

For the definition of Atheist though I feel that being called a person in denial (of theism) is a wrong way to define it. (circular I know)
Comment by Johnny on October 8, 2009 at 1:47am
a unicorn is a simple example: horn plus horse. two basic things that when you put together makes up a complex being. Together, hence "unicorn" they are imaginary, but they are made up of simple parts that the imagination must be able to comprehend in order to imagine "unicorn"

How do you concieve of an atom then? There are many models... maybe you imaine the one with constructed of "little energy balls" + whizzing around bigger balls that make up the nucleus.

Energy is concievable in the same way electricity is... you can't see electricity but you can sense it through touch and the things that it effects. When you take the plug out, the computer goes off.

How do we sense omnipotent? omnipresent? infinite? picture infinity. You can't.
Comment by Johnny on October 7, 2009 at 12:08pm
I don't know if I illustrated my point clearly... make up a monster... anything you can possibly imagine. Does it have horns? Fur? Does it feed on energy? Does it teleport?

All these things are things we can concieve of as basic things based on our senses. We can not concieve of anythining that we can not imagine directly experiencing

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