Both creationism and environmental denial are almost daily news. Their vile triplet, anti-vaccination crusading, hasn't reached quite the same level yet, but this article is a fascinating read -

A Broken Trust: Lessons from the Vaccine–Autism Wars

It's quite a sobering reminder of the actual scale of the assault being mounted against reason. Recommended for those who are still dubious about memes and their malignant virus-like nature.

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Comment by Rosemary LYNDALL WEMM on June 1, 2009 at 2:03am
As the mother of a child on the autism spectrum I am aware of the mercury-in-innoculations-causes-autism argument. Very aware, in fact. The mother of one of my son's previous classmates insisted that I familiarize myself with the literature in this area. I told her that I would, but that I would do what I always do with controversies: read both sides and come to my own conclusions. She has never forgiven me for coming to the "wrong" conclusion, or for telling her that I concluded that her point of view was a religion which had sucked her in. She went off into the night spluttering that she was not deluded.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on May 31, 2009 at 11:32am
I've largely ignored Falun Gong - though I now many chrystal gazers that have tried to get me to care for their cause. It is nice that my gut uneasiness about them seems justified.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on May 31, 2009 at 12:55am
Sydni: I get the impression that many atheists consider New Age Types less dangerous in their irrational beliefs than religious fanatics.


Most of us don't. I'll recycle what I said there -

They're worse because they don't have an established slab of dogma you can quote from and expose flaws and stupidities like the big religions do. They make things up on the fly. It makes them even more impenetrable to any kind of reason. And their air of smug superiority leaves mainstream religion for dead. There's a reason 'new age' tends to concentrate around places like California - it can't live without rich, stupid, selfish people.

Selfishness is what pisses me off the most about them. Everything is so 'me'-centric.


It is safe to say that a child is probably more at risk in a New Age loon household than loon xtian household, and certainly (gasp) a loon Islamic or Judaic household.

New Agers need a good famine to knock their priorities back into sanity.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on May 30, 2009 at 10:31pm
Joey: It's just the more one undermines reason in a group, the easier it is for the next prophet to talk them into believing some crazy nonsense.

Jenny McCarthy. She should stick to what she's good at - getting nekkid.

I'm not sure how much closer to a religion they can possibly get.

conspiracy = religion - god
Comment by Joey on May 30, 2009 at 9:56pm
Oh, I think all of them are conspiracy theorist nutjobs. I just meant the various groups that see conspiracies weren't actively working together to undermine reason. It's just the more one undermines reason in a group, the easier it is for the next prophet to talk them into believing some crazy nonsense. So even though they aren't a conspiracy themselves, the more damage one does, the more damage the next one can do.
There's also a lot of ego stroking involved in the conspiracy nuts. They feel they know something absolutely no one else in the world knows. The ones that have heard their spiel and rejected it as crazy are just lesser people.
I'm not sure how much closer to a religion they can possibly get.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on May 30, 2009 at 8:28pm
Joey: It's not an actual conspiracy to undermine reason, since the various groups of nutjobs aren't working together...but one feeds into another.

Well, define conspiracy... Personally, I don't think its a stretch to compare the anti-vaccination loons with 911 coverup theorists. Its all magical thinking, and its all looking for spooks to explain things that are too big for tiny minds.

Also, thank goodness. Someone posting a link and actually telling us what the link contains.

Thanks. I know I'm not alone, but sometimes I feel like a pensioner screaming at kids to get off my lawn. The fact that people can't even spend three minutes adding a little bit of substance to a post is quite insulting, and worse, a testament to their vapidity. And the few that do spend time want to give is essays on the latest Disney / Pixar production.
Comment by Joey on May 30, 2009 at 5:29pm
Felch: I've long been raising hell about how all three of those, plus various other sorts of woo are pretty much an all out assault on science and reason.
Toss in the various nonsensical conspiracy theories, and you've got a population convincing itself that it doesn't matter what the data says. It's all about your "gut feeling".
It's not an actual conspiracy to undermine reason, since the various groups of nutjobs aren't working together...but one feeds into another. If you convince a person HIV has nothing to do with AIDS, it'll be easier to convince them vaccines cause autism. After all, those evil scientists conspired to convince us HIV was linked to AIDS, who knows what else they're lying about.

Also, thank goodness. Someone posting a link and actually telling us what the link contains. The link isn't broken. Commenting on what it contains, even! Why, it's like a blog instead of a 14 year old's geocities page in 1995. (That's been driving me crazy.)

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