Creationism seems to be general knowledge for the uneducated

I noticed that when speaking to people who are uneducated about science and not in the atheist circle creationism seems to be general knowledge. The typical creationist tosh like "if we came from apes why are there still apes?" seems to be a very common "logical" truth among them. People who do not actively go to church or mosque, let alone listen to Kent Hovind seem to naturally spout such arguments as "If evolution was true then shouldn't all animals be trying to become human?". That was an actual statement made by a cousin of mine who has a liberal arts degree. Evolution seems to be held as some sort of belief system that has equal footing with creation myth. Another gem that I've heard from people not active in the creation-evolution "debate" was "Well if evolution is true then why isn't it still happening?". I've even heard atheist say things like "Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe in evolution". To anyone reading this, you should take a little poll among your friends and hear their arguments against evolution. Post some of their responses here.

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Comment by A3Kr0n on June 2, 2011 at 10:40pm

Evolution isn't something to "believe" or not. It is what it is regardless what someone believes it.

That's why I come here, to get away from that crap for awhile.

Comment by Yusuf Said on June 2, 2011 at 3:14pm
Antonio, and Mike. I think the problem is evolution is counter intuitive to most people. They look at complexity and design automatically occurs to them. If you are uneducated about biology, chemistry, and physics and do not understand science it is easy to simply accept that everything was designed. I've spent my adult life studying evolution as a scientist and I still find the process to be complex and it still amazes me. It is not surprising to me that the general public cannot wrap their minds around the concept.
Comment by mike larson on June 2, 2011 at 1:40pm
Re: Antonio. I agree. I'm also well versed in that area and have yet never seen a valid counter to evolution. It remains a vague theory to most which gives the theists their initial non belief in it.
As per previous posts I think we all agree that the uneducated comment refers to the specific topic not just stupid people disagree with evolution.
Comment by Antonio Chambers on June 2, 2011 at 12:44pm
all arguments evolution have been debunked. I consider myself having a well-versed knowledge on the matter, and have never encountered an argument that gave me much trouble.
Comment by Yusuf Said on June 2, 2011 at 10:10am
Yeah I mean uneducated about science not in general. I also know plenty of people with degrees in non-science fields who accept creationism. The reason John that bio teachers avoid the topic is they don't want creationist parents trying to get them fired.
Comment by booklover on June 2, 2011 at 8:17am
I never finished college and I'm very intelligent if I do say so myself ;).  I'm sure you mean uneducated about evolution.  I know many people that have degrees that are religious idiots.  I know many people without college degrees who are Atheists.  Also vice-versa.  I think if you're inclined to be a religious idiot, you're going to be one, and a degree won't make a difference.  Even hearing all about why Evolution is true won't sway them.
Comment by Yusuf Said on June 2, 2011 at 7:43am
That is shocking Rain..and yeah Mike that is back peddling big time.
Comment by mike larson on June 1, 2011 at 11:10pm
Re: joseph said.
that's why god is referred to as the "fill in the blank" defense all theists use.
And education is the factor here. I've had many talks with theists that have them coming around to at least a basic acceptance of evolution after a few simple facts exchanged.
However a new theist argument is stating that the invisible sky daddy is continually altering DNA as required! Now that's back peddling!
Comment by Rain on June 1, 2011 at 10:03pm
Most of uneducated (religious) people might favor creationism. I have also seen highly educated people (with PhD's in science) sending their kids to private schools to learn intelligent design. This is shocking! In these cases their religious beliefs seem to outweigh their logical thinking.
Comment by Richard Healy on June 1, 2011 at 11:38am

Also "Just because you're an atheist doesn't mean you have to believe in evolution"

is also kinda true. 

For a great many people, myself included, coming to understand what evolution was and how it works undermined some the support that I had for a belief in god.  I came to understand why teleology was wrong, why the natural world is not in fact designed.

However it isn't necessarily true that accepting evolution makes you an atheist, I feel it ought to, but certianly there are theists who claim to do both.  Personally I think they are being inconsistent.  Strictly speaking, however, but one is accepting statements about how the natural world is organised, the other is a statement about whether or not you think a god exists.   For some people this issues intertwine for others they do not.

However, if someone (atheist or not) doesn't accept evolution then they had better have a damn good reason, and I predict it will emerge that they simply don't know enough about it yet.

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