I've heard a few theists say "Hitler was atheist."
In the God delusion, I read this and why it's a bad argument. Basically even if Hitler was an Atheist (ignoring the fact he mentioned in many speeches that he was Christian and that he was doing God's work.) his horrendous acts were not inspired by atheism.
Theists seem to think because we don't follow a moral code supposedly handed to us by a higher power we have are amoral. Basically ignoring the fact that there are laws and standards set by society. Are we really that dumb that we need to have a giant sky-god tell us that killing is wrong? Or do we already know that because its common sense that the world would be a bad place if we went around just killing each other?

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Comment by Hekate Moon on June 22, 2009 at 6:36pm
Thanks kid, now I have more fire power against people who want to use that argument.
Comment by Gecko, Seth...brother of Richie! on June 21, 2009 at 11:49pm
Damn Kid you put some research into that response!! Yes Mel, good rule!
Comment by Billy Deaton on June 21, 2009 at 10:45pm
haha, I think somewhere in the back of my mind I knew that. And I think Bill Maher might have repeated it too. Good to have the background though, thank you.
Comment by Mel on June 21, 2009 at 5:26pm
Billyist: That's an OLD rule. It's called Goodwin's Law. Eventually, all arguments will bring up Hitler, and whoever does it first loses the argument and the argument is now over. It's a good rule. :D
Comment by K. Walker on June 21, 2009 at 11:41am
He was a good example of what was truly going on behind the scenes and has been for hundreds of years even before his rule of the Father Land. I made a solid attempt at reading Mein Kampf years ago but 1/4 way thru, I realized it was such trash, I closed it and returned it to the library, although wish I could have thrown it in the garbage bin without being charged for such dribble.
Comment by Justin Pearson Smith on June 20, 2009 at 5:29pm
Whether Hitler was a Christian is debatable, he certainly was a theist but he had a warped view of Christianity much like he had a warped view of Evolution. And we haven't got to the fact yet that Hitler's followers (the ones who did the actual killing) were predominantly Christians. I can tell you now that as an Atheist, were I in their shoes I would do whatever it took to get as far away from Nazi Germany as possible. People lay all the blame on Hitler but never forget an idiot telling people to do nasty things only has any power if mindless sheep listen to him. His followers are just as bad if not worse.
Comment by Billy Deaton on June 20, 2009 at 2:15am
Remember in Indiana Jones when the Nazi's were searching for the holy grail and the arc of the covenant?

Well, the movies not far off. Hitler was obsessed with the occult, so much so that he made the symbol of his party (the swastika) an image from occult beliefs

But, as you said, it doesn't matter. Saying someone like Hitler was an atheist therefore atheism leads to mania is kinda like saying Hitler had a moustache therefore all moustaches lead to mania.

And to those theists that say that. Fuck them! I do follow a moral code, I got it from my mom and my dad and my experiences. And you know what? My morals are better than yours. Because I don't think that anyone who doesn't share my favorite book deserves to be fucking tortured forever.

Look, what Hitler did wasn't excusable, but it did make sense based on what he believed. If he truly believed something like 'races exist and only one are truly human' or whatever it was he believed, then it makes logical sense to try to 'win.' Of course Hitler's premises weren't sound, but the point is if he had been an atheist than "I am an atheist therefore I should kill jewish people, black people, communists and homosexuals in a systematic genocide" doesn't follow.

what an asinine comment. Hitler! NEW RULE: Anybody that brings up Hitler in a discussion automatically loses and shall be forced to donate his brain to someone who promises to use it.
Comment by Gecko, Seth...brother of Richie! on June 19, 2009 at 11:33pm
And your correct we don't need the magic man in the sky to know right from wrong.
Comment by Gecko, Seth...brother of Richie! on June 19, 2009 at 11:31pm
O I get so sick of the name Hitler, I ODed a few years back on studying WWII. I was a fanatic on the subject, but I'm so tired of everyone dredging up Hitler as the end all be all of Eviiiiilllll!!
It just shows a lack of imagination and a lack of historic perspective. Lets talk about Pol Pot, or Joshua of the Hebrew tribes, or Julius Caesar, what about Stalin?? These people all worked very hard to annihilate LARGE numbers of men women and children. But we just jump to Hitler.
He was an atheist, He was a religious fanatic, it doesn't matter he tried to conquer the world employing the same methods conquers have always used and he lost. He's dead. Good riddance.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on June 19, 2009 at 10:59pm

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