Recently, I've been engaging with my wife's pastor and a few other friends on Facebook about origins. I read Lawrence Krauss' book "A Universe From Nothing". When talking about these issues I always end up getting into a rabbit trail discussion about how Lawrence Krauss defines "nothing". Truly, as I understand it, Lawrence Krauss' idea of "nothing" is the quantum vacuum that allows particles and anti-particles to pop in and out of existence. What I've submitted to the theists is that it's just as reasonable to submit that this quantum vacuum has existed un-created for all eternity as it is to submit that God as existed un-created for all eternity. Although I don't claim certain knowledege as to whether that is the case or not, I only claim it's just as likely. But, the conversation then gets sidetracked over the term "nothing". I then have to step away from Lawrence Krauss and claim, "You're right it's not actually nothing. Lawrence Krauss just calls it that, however my point remains." Do other's find that calling this quantum vacuum "nothing" confuses theists more than aids them like I do? What are the reasons why we would call this "nothing"? I don't really see the benefit. Anyway, those are my thoughts for the day.