Is Death Final? Who Wants To Live Forever?

Death has always fascinated me. It is the period in this sentence. Death marks the spot where it ends and my life as I knew it, cease to exist. Or, doesn't it?

Below is a video on Exploring Life Extension from the Immortality Institute.

I want to live forever if such can be accomplished through science and technology. The idea of having my own clone/s on top of being immortal (depends entirely on future regulatory policies) is very attractive to me. I can be out fishing on a given day while my clone is off to a distant journey to our galactic neighbor, the Andromeda galaxy. There are just so many things to do in this observable universe that one physical body cannot possibly accomplish in one human lifetime. I want to meet Van Gogh and shake his hand. Or, meet the clone of Jesus (if he ever existed at all and if fossils can be traced) which is unlikely for he disappeared up in the sky! Oh. well let's just forget about that dude then. :)

Hope you watch the video and share your insights.



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Tags: aging, cloning, cryonics, death, immortality, nanotech

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Comment by Фелч Гроган on February 4, 2010 at 6:49pm
Roy: The system you describe is presently the one in operation.

How do you propose to stop it?


By not getting distracted by these flights of fancy when there are real problems to be addressed. Life extension and the rest of the H+ fantasy world are pure typhos.
Comment by Roy The Infidel on February 4, 2010 at 6:09pm
@ Howard

Definitely, no use being a clone that is different than the original in terms of personal identity. The final frontier is the brain. In the video, that was addressed. It is not as simple as information processing. Hence, the ultimate goal is a perfect copy. How would you feel about the "rejected" copies?
Comment by Roy The Infidel on February 4, 2010 at 6:00pm
@ Felch

I thought there was more. The future is brave but not stupid. Fact is, there is no escaping it. The system you describe is presently the one in operation.

How do you propose to stop it?
Comment by Howard S. Dunn on February 4, 2010 at 12:41pm
BTW - a clone is like a twin - not a doppelganger. Van Gogh's clone might have his same talent - but would be an entirely different person shaped by entirely different experiences.
Comment by Howard S. Dunn on February 4, 2010 at 12:39pm
Frankly, for me, death is what makes life precious. I have a healthy survival instinct like anyone else. And I'd love to see what we come up with in the future (I think I do, anyway - it might just really suck.)

What happens if you got mad, killed someone, and got life in prison?
Comment by Фелч Гроган on February 4, 2010 at 5:14am
RtI: I'm all ears. I could learn a thing or two and would be much appreciated.

One's a no brainer - there's already population pressure. Assuming extending life span was possible for all of humanity, it would have an exponentially detrimental effect on both the economy and the environment. It would be the most disastrous thing we could do to what is essentially a sealed system - our earth. It is finite.

Assuming it's not and it's only bestowed to elites, don't be so naive to assume that dweebs that hang around 'net forums will have even a remote shot at it. The first cabs off the rank will be Hollywood and Wall Street. Precisely the people we don't need to live forever.

Then there's the "master race" problem. Humans that can live to be 1000 years old will obviously, and logically, assert that their lives have a proportionally higher value to us mehums. It's charming to be idealistic enough to think this will never happen, especially if you're one of the first priviliged few. Certainly, some of the pap that falls out of H+ and Bright brigade's mouths right now just makes you want to put a brass band on and break out in a goose step.

Your turn - how about you do some thinking? It's not that hard.
Comment by Roy The Infidel on February 4, 2010 at 2:57am
Ah, yes. I am reminded of the objections that were leveled at the Large Hadron Collider project of CERN - the staggering amount and budget to build it would have been put to better use or causes. I share your sentiment on these valid concerns but must research pause and wait while we fix mother earth's problems?

"There's a Pandora's box of objections to raise and I doubt mine would cover the whole spectrum."

I'm all ears. I could learn a thing or two and would be much appreciated.
Comment by Shamar on February 4, 2010 at 2:49am
I love the idea of extending my lifetime indefinitely.....but, only if I have the option of ending it any time I want. The Idea of being trapped in some kind of immortality of existence is horrifying.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on February 4, 2010 at 2:32am
But, taking charge of our evolution shouldn't be simply dismissed as raw denialism of nature, don't you think?

Roy, it wasn't a dismissal. It was an observation among others. There's a Pandora's box of objections to raise and I doubt mine would cover the whole spectrum. My greatest immediate objection to it is that until we solve our current problems with resources, poverty, food, energy and room for us all (again, just an immediate list, there is much more) to even think of life extension myopic, extremely selfish and just plain stupid.
Comment by Roy The Infidel on February 4, 2010 at 1:53am
"It is also raw denialism of nature."

Interesting point, Felch. But, taking charge of our evolution shouldn't be simply dismissed as raw denialism of nature, don't you think?

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