I'm always told that I should repent, I will have to account for my non-belief when I stand before God, and so on.
Here is my response, I'm sure many others have thought of this.
If God is all-knowing, he must already know my future.
If the future is known, then there is no such thing as free will. (See determinism)
So either, God did not give us free will, or he doesn't exist.

So Christians try to argue that God knowing our futures doesn't make free will impossible, which is BS. How could you choose something before you are created?

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Comment by Dave Rogers on November 15, 2009 at 6:55pm
Beyond the illogical free-will issue, it's the repenting itself that's twisted. You must ask for forgiveness from an imaginary being. You must bow before him and perform some act of contrition to get back on his good side. Since it's usually done through some medium (priest/pastor/etc...) or at some church, it's a clever trick to enslave you to that church.
Comment by OutlawGirl on November 15, 2009 at 1:54pm
Return of the Devil's Advocate: What if God knows all possible futures and the specific future which we are currently headed toward?
Comment by Paul Lin on November 15, 2009 at 5:26am
Mihai,

The reason why Christians are able to get away with so many contradictions in their scriptures and between their ideas and the reality is that they ask their followers to use faith as the mean to acquire knowledge. Faith makes a person to accept anything they are told without thinking. The result is the Dark Ages.

It's too bad that Genghis Khan's troops stopped at Vienna, and the Europe escaped the fate of destruction. If Genghis Khan annihilated the Christianity in 12th Century, Renaissance and the Age of Enlightenment would have arrived earlier and spread much faster.
Comment by Mihai on November 15, 2009 at 4:06am
If you're looking for a way to really piss off a christian who says you are born in sin, but eventually forgiven through Jesus: "I decline to be spoken to in that tone of voice".
Comment by Mihai on November 15, 2009 at 3:25am
Difficult topic for religion: calvinist protestants of the XVI century preached absolute predestination (God adopts some to the hope of life and adjudges others to eternal death). Today's fundies, when asked, will say that god's grace washes away everything. Both views are based on the bible, no explanation is satisfactory because the bible contradicts itself on this as on many other things.
Comment by Paul Lin on November 15, 2009 at 12:38am
If God knows all possible futures but not the one we'll pick, then God is no longer omniscient or omnipotent. Not knowing or not able to do a thing contradicts with the nature of omniscience and omnipotence.
Comment by Louis on November 14, 2009 at 11:47pm
What if God knows all possible futures but not neccessarily the one we'll pick?

Then he's not much better than we are. Why should I worship someone just slightly better than me?
Comment by Paul Lin on November 14, 2009 at 11:38pm
I have argued about a similar issue before. Omnipotence is not possible in reality, and free will isn't possible if there is an omnipotent being. All we need to do is finding just one example of task that isn't possible to perform for anyone in reality.

Christians often try to come out with obscure "logic" to defend their broken philosophical position in order to evade the truth. I went to a Catholic high school. I know all their dirty tricks.
Comment by OutlawGirl on November 14, 2009 at 8:55pm
Devil's Advocate: What if God knows all possible futures but not neccessarily the one we'll pick?

Also, pissing off a Christian is fairly easy. I've been warned (casually threatened?) to repent so many times that sometimes I'd rather just mess with them than try to engage in argument.

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