Charlie Check'm - What the 'Atheist' Rapper thinks About Gays

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What Does ‘Atheist’ Rapper, Charlie Check’M Think About Gays?

All quotes from this thread:

“I will sell regardless of how many pro-gay Atheists don't like me.”

“I"m an Atheist and I'm against gay marriage for the same reason I'm against people marrying their pets.”

“…I don't support sibling marriage, human and pet marriage AND gay marriage.” “I wouldn't support sibling marriage and I wouldn't support gay marriage.” “I'm an Atheist and I’m against gay marriage. Why? it's because it would be unfair to a man who wants to marry his daughter or a woman who wants to marry her dog or siblings wanting to marry each other.”

“My argument isn't irrational. If gays are allowed to marry, that would be unfair to siblings who want to marry each other.”

“… gay marriage is a result of a mental disorder for the gays who became gay due to some kind of trauma and THAT'S been verified.”

“Here's my source
http://www.narth.com/docs/concluded.html”

“I don't hate gays. I just think they have an acceptable mental disorder. http://www.narth.com/docs/concluded.html”

“If you want to include 100's of studies, you have to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is an acceptable mental disorder.
http://www.narth.com
You would love for Psychologists to just stop researching now while you're ahead but the studies will go on and there are new things to discover so don't get your hopes up.”

Asked to supply evidence that gay people have 'something wrong with their brains' and what exactly is this 'something wrong'?
“You can find it here
http://www.narth.com.” That's a website that promotes the latest scientific studies on homosexuals.

[Narth is a right-wing fundamentalist Christian organization that has been discredited by the mainstream scientific community, shown to have repeatedly misquoted and misrepresented the work of real scientists, and has also been dismissed in an American court of law for being ideologically biased.]

Responding to: “[The people at NARTH] are religious bigots trying to hide behind what they call science.
“Now you're just making up stuff. First of all, you're out right LYING. Gay scientists have been caught masquering [sic] gay activism as science. You're accusing them of what your fellow gays are doing.”

“… the people at Narth promote scientific studies from REAL SCIENTISTS. They're not bigots like you are. You're a bigot towards ANYONE who knows something is wrong with gay people's brain.”

“Narth list several studies from several psychologists. It would be wrong to discredit every one of the studies. Pro-gay scientists have been caught masquerading gay activism as science but pro-gays won't complain about that. They would probably encourage any dishonesty that helps the gay movement.” [emphasis added]

[And as if drawing ‘evidence’ from NARTH wasn’t enough, Charlie Check’m also uses the Christian fundamentalist, discredited, Family Research Institute to support his claims!]

Pro-gay bias study of pedophilia
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/pro-gay-bias-in-study-of-...

“The problem with research today is they need to start tricking the gay interviewees because there has been evidence of LIES told by gay people during interviews. So, they need to somehow trick the gay interviewees during the interview so the gay people can be honest. There has also has been evidence of gay psychologists masquering [sic] gay activism as science.”

“You must don't realize how easy it is for GAY scientists to rig a study. Keep in mind that the studies involve interviews with gay people. The question is, will gay people tell truth? HELL NO. They are die hard and they will lie, cheat and do what ever it takes to deceive people into thinking they aren't crazy.”

“Gay people are defined by being attracted to the wrong sex. So the very thing that makes them gay stems from a result of being molested or raped. It should be obvious that they have some kind of sexual attraction disorder. Some of them are gay because they're suffering from GID. That's been proven. The percentages are uncertain because gays lie a lot because they're trying so hard to prove they're normal.” [emphasis added]

“It's not my fault that they [gays] literally hate anyone who exposes the truth about them. They label anyone who opposes gay marriage a homophobic.”
“LABELING PEOPLE HOMOPHOBIC IS THE ONLY WEAPON THEY HAVE.”

“Pro-gay Bigots will lie and just make up ANYTHING to downplay ANYONE who knows gays are attracted to the wrong gender … PRO-GAYS WILL LIE.”

“… If you were a scientist and you discovered that homosexuality is a mental disorder, would you report it to the media or would you pretend you never discovered it? YOU WOULD DENY IT AND DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE YOU ARE BIGOTED TOWARDS ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SHARE YOUR GAY VIEWS.”

“I bet you wouldn't question a gay psychologist KNOWING he or she is probably bias. Even if you discovered a bias study by a gay pscyhologists, you probably wouldn't expose it. You would probably just keep it to yourself and continue calling ANYONE homophobic who admits that gays ar attracted to the wrong gender.”

“I"m saying that you're bias. There's a good chance that you're gay being the fact that you're so bias” [emphasis added]

“.. There have also been gay psychologists masquering [sic] gay activism as science.

Several psychologists are gay. That's something to keep in mind.”

“Atheists shouldn't have anything to do with gays.” “…Atheists primary concern should be Atheist rights, not gay rights. It seems as though gays are trying to turn the Atheist movement into a gay/Atheist movement.”

“Some of you gay people have no problem with downplaying other people's "RIGHTS" but you want to have your way. Well, gay marriage is just as bad sibling marriage …”

“I think if gay marriage became normalized, gay people believe they would have a better chance of seducing straight people. Lesbians even have a name for lesbians who prey on straight women. They're called recruiters.

“So, I believe gay marriage could be a psychological [sic] bomb to make straight people more gay-friendly and it's all for the sake of successful seduction of straight people.”

“I just think something is wrong with their brains.”

“Gay people are defined by being attracted to the wrong sex. So the very thing that makes them gay stems from a result of being molested or raped. It should be obvious that they have some kind of sexual attraction disorder"

“… people have became gay due to sexual molestation, rape ect [sic]”

“I never said EVERY gay person is gay due to sexual molestation. I SAID people have became gay due to sexual molestation.”
“ I never said ALL GAYS have been molested. I said gay people can become gay due to molestation or rape. Their have been case studies to confirm this. Some people who have been molested don't become gay because they are STRONGER. Also, if they receive some kind of therapy shortly after they've been molested, they're less likely to be gay.”


“I agree that some people are born gay which is a brain defect.”

“I don't hate you. I just think something is wrong with your brain.”

“It's just a fact of life that there are people with twisted brains who are attracted to the wrong gender. What does bother me are child molesters because they're making some people turn gay.” [emphasis added]

Quoting from NARTH: “There are occasional scientific attempts to deny or obscure the fact that a disproportionately high percentage of active homosexuals also molest children. These studies are invariably afflicted with one or more fatal flaws.” [emphasis added]

“…being lefted handed is no where near as twisted as having a part of the wrong gender's brain.”
“You said that I said, Left-Handed People Are Twisted - My reply,
That's a big lie. I never said anything about left-handed people”

“There is something twisted about being attracted to the wrong sex.”
“Just because I know some gay people are born with the wrong gender's brain doesn't mean I hate them.”

“I'm not prejudice against gays. I just know some of them became gay because they were raped. I also know that some of them have the wrong gender's brain. It's a fact. “

“When a male has a brain similar to a females, THAT'S A PROBLEM.”

“… gay Atheists don't seem to give a DAMN about everyone's rights. As a matter of a fact, I've witnessed gay Atheists not giving a damn about Atheists rights if the Atheist opposes their views about gays.”

“A gay scientists could simply lie about a study just like a Christian scientist could. Pro-gay Atheist would catch the Christian scientist hoax but probably not the gay scientist hoax because some Atheists are suffering from Christian-phobia. Keep in mind that I'm a strong Atheist and I'm totally against The belief in God and religion [sic]. I happen to think Christians and gays have a lot in common. Gay people want to hold on to the Atheist movement because they're suffering from Christian-phobia so they turn to Atheist to help them fight against Christians.”

“I think some gays are suffering [sic] from Christian-phobia or even heterophobia.”
“Sounds like you're suffering from Christian-phobia.”
“I think you're suffering from Christian-phobia”
“You're so much suffering from Christian-phobia.”
“You must be suffering from Christian-phobia. “

“Christians have told me I'm not an Atheist also.”
“I'm one of the strongest Atheist you would ever meet. How many Atheist will walk around with a t-shirt that displays "God is imaginary"

“Gays are in denial about being attracted to the wrong sex.”

“It seems like gays are trying to change the meaning of homophobic to apply pressure on people to view homosexuality as normal.”

“Deep down gays know something is wrong with them. So to counter that, they try to convince as many people as possible that nothing is wrong with them so they can feel better about themselves. Homosexuals don't want any barriers stopping them from seducing the person (gay or straight) of their choice. A major barrier is the way heterosexuals view homosexuality. In order for homosexuals to increase their chances of seducing the straight person of their choice, they need to convince as many people as possible to accept the gay lifestyle. The more heterosexuals accept the gay life style, the better chance gays will have of succeeding in seducing the straight person of their choice … Gays are hateful towards anyone who might say ANYTHING that will interfere with gays attempting to seduce the straight person of their choice.”

“Are you telling me it's not a fact that plenty gays would have a sexual relationship with a a straight person who they find EXTREMELY attractive if they are able to convince them? The gay community have people call "recruiters". These are gays who specifically prey on heterosexual people. This is a fact.”

“Playing the victim role is one of the many tactics gays use to try and downplay ANYONE who simply opposes their gay views.”

“Gays have a habit of labeling ANYONE who opposes gay marriage "homophobic"”

“Gay people think everyone has the potential of being gay.”

“…You're not mature enough to accept the fact that you're attracted to the wrong sex”

“It's irrational to assume everyone who's against gay marriage is homophobic. I'm against gay marriage but that doesn't make me homophobic. Admitting that gays are attracted to the wrong gender doesn't make a person homophobic”

“So if you think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong species (horses), you should understand why I think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong gender.”

LABELING PEOPLE HOMOPHOBIC IS THE ONLY WEAPON GAYS HAVE.”

“Gays including gay Atheists who label people homophobic are irrational.”

“I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

bye,

bye,

bye,

bye,

bye,

I rest my case.

HERE'S MY GOOD BYE PRESENT...Yes the rapper is me. I'm Charlie Check'm”

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Comment by Jay on August 4, 2009 at 12:15am
Right on Brother! (Sorry, couldn't resist)


Yes he is an atheist but to what extent is bigotry allowed here? As you have said, reasonable arguments are acceptable. Too bad he wasn't really using any.
Comment by Richard Haynes on August 4, 2009 at 12:06am
Yes, I believe a review of our policies is in order.

First, I know for a fact that Charlie Checkum is an atheist, and not a Christian troll. However, his statements have been quite disgusting. For the record, I support equal marriage for all, and the issue is simply one of civil rights. Now, I'm sure there are a few rational atheists who might have some reasonable arguments against gay marriage, but Charlie sure isn't one.

This whole issue was, quite frankly, not anticipated. As Kristy has pointed out, our policy has been to allow anyone who was a nontheist. However, I don't want atheist Nazis or racists on Nexus.

We must be careful not to ban someone simply because the disagree with us. There are atheists who are Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Marxists, Communists, etc. In these particular situations, it would be best if we live and let live.

Also, there has been much debate on Nexus between atheists who are pro-life and pro-choice. And, to be honest, we have seen more non-rational attacks from the pro-choice side than the pro-life. There has even been a few people who left the site because of this.

In the meantime, I am banning Charlie, until I can talk to him, or we get to change our policy.

Thanks to you all for your patience and support as we get through our growing pains.
Comment by Sentient Biped on August 3, 2009 at 11:58pm
Kristy,

Sorry to double post this, but I'm concerned it will be buried in Charles Claybrook's polluted thread.

I second your concerns, and thank you for your unbending support and levelheadedness.

While I am a passionate beleiver in free speech, frankly, substitute any other category of human for Charlie Check'm's slurs, and I suspect that he would have been thrown off Ning already. The homophobic slur might be OK on Fox, but not here. Then his final copy and paste of the same post, over and over, is nothing but spam.

This bully put a true damper on A|N. Anyone following the thread got hundreds of email notices about new postings, all of which were the same homophobic tyrade, over and over and over. It was very disillusioning. Imagine logging onto a site and reading someone say, over and over, that you are twisted, diseased, abuse children, defective, and the other slurs that, frankly, I grew up with. It's free speech, but to say the same things about a race, or a gender, or a disability, or a nationality.... It's hard to beleive that it could go so far.

This was truly sickening. I'm glad that some members benefited from the resources, many of which you posted. Even a shitcloud can have a silver lining. I am grateful for the phenomenal support that many A|N members showed for the enlightened side.

Im not planning to give up on A|N, but I need to learn to stay away from the home page and try to stick to groups, where I can focus on more civil discussion. The several 'noise-making' threads, insulting to A|N and it's members, are like shitting on a restaurant table and calling it "free speech". The only way that I know to avoid it is to stick where people are more civil.

I agree with Felch, too. Feeding trolls encourages them. I try to stay away once I know that they are trolls, but that sometimes takes more self control than I have.

I admire Bro. Richard for what he has done on this site, and for his dedication, and I hate to add to his load. But I agree with you on this issue.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on August 3, 2009 at 11:44pm
Hi IS serious, Felch. He's a member of the AAI.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 3, 2009 at 11:35pm
No - the issue IS THAT HE WAS TAKEN SERIOUSLY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THAT is the greatest slur against us, and its self-inflicted. You can't legislate against dumbness.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on August 3, 2009 at 11:31pm
I've asked for a review of the troll policy. The problem is that, currently our only requirement is that members be atheists. This site has prided itself on not censoring members and I have supported this strongly. But, in light of this recent development where a group of our own members has been so viciously and unfairly characterized by someone representing themselves so publicy as an atheist, I now favour a policy saying that racists and bigots should be excluded from the site.
Comment by Jay on August 3, 2009 at 11:23pm
You think the troll policy would be more effective.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on August 3, 2009 at 11:07pm
I wouldn't be concerned about this guy and would dismiss him as a 'nutjob' except that he's representing himself as an atheist and making money out of it. It's despicable.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 3, 2009 at 11:05pm
What is disturbing is that so many of you have spent so much time seriously debating a nutjob that is so blatant he reeks more than my shorts. I was going to call shenanigans very early in the piece but didn't and forgot all about it. Next time I looked, it was already 100+ posts and growing with each browser refresh. Really guys. Critical thinkers ? You need to hone up on your belittlement and derision skills.

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