Charlie Check'm - What the 'Atheist' Rapper thinks About Gays

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What Does ‘Atheist’ Rapper, Charlie Check’M Think About Gays?

All quotes from this thread:

“I will sell regardless of how many pro-gay Atheists don't like me.”

“I"m an Atheist and I'm against gay marriage for the same reason I'm against people marrying their pets.”

“…I don't support sibling marriage, human and pet marriage AND gay marriage.” “I wouldn't support sibling marriage and I wouldn't support gay marriage.” “I'm an Atheist and I’m against gay marriage. Why? it's because it would be unfair to a man who wants to marry his daughter or a woman who wants to marry her dog or siblings wanting to marry each other.”

“My argument isn't irrational. If gays are allowed to marry, that would be unfair to siblings who want to marry each other.”

“… gay marriage is a result of a mental disorder for the gays who became gay due to some kind of trauma and THAT'S been verified.”

“Here's my source
http://www.narth.com/docs/concluded.html”

“I don't hate gays. I just think they have an acceptable mental disorder. http://www.narth.com/docs/concluded.html”

“If you want to include 100's of studies, you have to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is an acceptable mental disorder.
http://www.narth.com
You would love for Psychologists to just stop researching now while you're ahead but the studies will go on and there are new things to discover so don't get your hopes up.”

Asked to supply evidence that gay people have 'something wrong with their brains' and what exactly is this 'something wrong'?
“You can find it here
http://www.narth.com.” That's a website that promotes the latest scientific studies on homosexuals.

[Narth is a right-wing fundamentalist Christian organization that has been discredited by the mainstream scientific community, shown to have repeatedly misquoted and misrepresented the work of real scientists, and has also been dismissed in an American court of law for being ideologically biased.]

Responding to: “[The people at NARTH] are religious bigots trying to hide behind what they call science.
“Now you're just making up stuff. First of all, you're out right LYING. Gay scientists have been caught masquering [sic] gay activism as science. You're accusing them of what your fellow gays are doing.”

“… the people at Narth promote scientific studies from REAL SCIENTISTS. They're not bigots like you are. You're a bigot towards ANYONE who knows something is wrong with gay people's brain.”

“Narth list several studies from several psychologists. It would be wrong to discredit every one of the studies. Pro-gay scientists have been caught masquerading gay activism as science but pro-gays won't complain about that. They would probably encourage any dishonesty that helps the gay movement.” [emphasis added]

[And as if drawing ‘evidence’ from NARTH wasn’t enough, Charlie Check’m also uses the Christian fundamentalist, discredited, Family Research Institute to support his claims!]

Pro-gay bias study of pedophilia
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/pro-gay-bias-in-study-of-...

“The problem with research today is they need to start tricking the gay interviewees because there has been evidence of LIES told by gay people during interviews. So, they need to somehow trick the gay interviewees during the interview so the gay people can be honest. There has also has been evidence of gay psychologists masquering [sic] gay activism as science.”

“You must don't realize how easy it is for GAY scientists to rig a study. Keep in mind that the studies involve interviews with gay people. The question is, will gay people tell truth? HELL NO. They are die hard and they will lie, cheat and do what ever it takes to deceive people into thinking they aren't crazy.”

“Gay people are defined by being attracted to the wrong sex. So the very thing that makes them gay stems from a result of being molested or raped. It should be obvious that they have some kind of sexual attraction disorder. Some of them are gay because they're suffering from GID. That's been proven. The percentages are uncertain because gays lie a lot because they're trying so hard to prove they're normal.” [emphasis added]

“It's not my fault that they [gays] literally hate anyone who exposes the truth about them. They label anyone who opposes gay marriage a homophobic.”
“LABELING PEOPLE HOMOPHOBIC IS THE ONLY WEAPON THEY HAVE.”

“Pro-gay Bigots will lie and just make up ANYTHING to downplay ANYONE who knows gays are attracted to the wrong gender … PRO-GAYS WILL LIE.”

“… If you were a scientist and you discovered that homosexuality is a mental disorder, would you report it to the media or would you pretend you never discovered it? YOU WOULD DENY IT AND DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE YOU ARE BIGOTED TOWARDS ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SHARE YOUR GAY VIEWS.”

“I bet you wouldn't question a gay psychologist KNOWING he or she is probably bias. Even if you discovered a bias study by a gay pscyhologists, you probably wouldn't expose it. You would probably just keep it to yourself and continue calling ANYONE homophobic who admits that gays ar attracted to the wrong gender.”

“I"m saying that you're bias. There's a good chance that you're gay being the fact that you're so bias” [emphasis added]

“.. There have also been gay psychologists masquering [sic] gay activism as science.

Several psychologists are gay. That's something to keep in mind.”

“Atheists shouldn't have anything to do with gays.” “…Atheists primary concern should be Atheist rights, not gay rights. It seems as though gays are trying to turn the Atheist movement into a gay/Atheist movement.”

“Some of you gay people have no problem with downplaying other people's "RIGHTS" but you want to have your way. Well, gay marriage is just as bad sibling marriage …”

“I think if gay marriage became normalized, gay people believe they would have a better chance of seducing straight people. Lesbians even have a name for lesbians who prey on straight women. They're called recruiters.

“So, I believe gay marriage could be a psychological [sic] bomb to make straight people more gay-friendly and it's all for the sake of successful seduction of straight people.”

“I just think something is wrong with their brains.”

“Gay people are defined by being attracted to the wrong sex. So the very thing that makes them gay stems from a result of being molested or raped. It should be obvious that they have some kind of sexual attraction disorder"

“… people have became gay due to sexual molestation, rape ect [sic]”

“I never said EVERY gay person is gay due to sexual molestation. I SAID people have became gay due to sexual molestation.”
“ I never said ALL GAYS have been molested. I said gay people can become gay due to molestation or rape. Their have been case studies to confirm this. Some people who have been molested don't become gay because they are STRONGER. Also, if they receive some kind of therapy shortly after they've been molested, they're less likely to be gay.”


“I agree that some people are born gay which is a brain defect.”

“I don't hate you. I just think something is wrong with your brain.”

“It's just a fact of life that there are people with twisted brains who are attracted to the wrong gender. What does bother me are child molesters because they're making some people turn gay.” [emphasis added]

Quoting from NARTH: “There are occasional scientific attempts to deny or obscure the fact that a disproportionately high percentage of active homosexuals also molest children. These studies are invariably afflicted with one or more fatal flaws.” [emphasis added]

“…being lefted handed is no where near as twisted as having a part of the wrong gender's brain.”
“You said that I said, Left-Handed People Are Twisted - My reply,
That's a big lie. I never said anything about left-handed people”

“There is something twisted about being attracted to the wrong sex.”
“Just because I know some gay people are born with the wrong gender's brain doesn't mean I hate them.”

“I'm not prejudice against gays. I just know some of them became gay because they were raped. I also know that some of them have the wrong gender's brain. It's a fact. “

“When a male has a brain similar to a females, THAT'S A PROBLEM.”

“… gay Atheists don't seem to give a DAMN about everyone's rights. As a matter of a fact, I've witnessed gay Atheists not giving a damn about Atheists rights if the Atheist opposes their views about gays.”

“A gay scientists could simply lie about a study just like a Christian scientist could. Pro-gay Atheist would catch the Christian scientist hoax but probably not the gay scientist hoax because some Atheists are suffering from Christian-phobia. Keep in mind that I'm a strong Atheist and I'm totally against The belief in God and religion [sic]. I happen to think Christians and gays have a lot in common. Gay people want to hold on to the Atheist movement because they're suffering from Christian-phobia so they turn to Atheist to help them fight against Christians.”

“I think some gays are suffering [sic] from Christian-phobia or even heterophobia.”
“Sounds like you're suffering from Christian-phobia.”
“I think you're suffering from Christian-phobia”
“You're so much suffering from Christian-phobia.”
“You must be suffering from Christian-phobia. “

“Christians have told me I'm not an Atheist also.”
“I'm one of the strongest Atheist you would ever meet. How many Atheist will walk around with a t-shirt that displays "God is imaginary"

“Gays are in denial about being attracted to the wrong sex.”

“It seems like gays are trying to change the meaning of homophobic to apply pressure on people to view homosexuality as normal.”

“Deep down gays know something is wrong with them. So to counter that, they try to convince as many people as possible that nothing is wrong with them so they can feel better about themselves. Homosexuals don't want any barriers stopping them from seducing the person (gay or straight) of their choice. A major barrier is the way heterosexuals view homosexuality. In order for homosexuals to increase their chances of seducing the straight person of their choice, they need to convince as many people as possible to accept the gay lifestyle. The more heterosexuals accept the gay life style, the better chance gays will have of succeeding in seducing the straight person of their choice … Gays are hateful towards anyone who might say ANYTHING that will interfere with gays attempting to seduce the straight person of their choice.”

“Are you telling me it's not a fact that plenty gays would have a sexual relationship with a a straight person who they find EXTREMELY attractive if they are able to convince them? The gay community have people call "recruiters". These are gays who specifically prey on heterosexual people. This is a fact.”

“Playing the victim role is one of the many tactics gays use to try and downplay ANYONE who simply opposes their gay views.”

“Gays have a habit of labeling ANYONE who opposes gay marriage "homophobic"”

“Gay people think everyone has the potential of being gay.”

“…You're not mature enough to accept the fact that you're attracted to the wrong sex”

“It's irrational to assume everyone who's against gay marriage is homophobic. I'm against gay marriage but that doesn't make me homophobic. Admitting that gays are attracted to the wrong gender doesn't make a person homophobic”

“So if you think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong species (horses), you should understand why I think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong gender.”

LABELING PEOPLE HOMOPHOBIC IS THE ONLY WEAPON GAYS HAVE.”

“Gays including gay Atheists who label people homophobic are irrational.”

“I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

bye,

bye,

bye,

bye,

bye,

I rest my case.

HERE'S MY GOOD BYE PRESENT...Yes the rapper is me. I'm Charlie Check'm”

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Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 4, 2009 at 11:34pm
Jay: Nice point Daniel.

Agreed. No dispute whatsoever from me. But, it's over intellectualising again - this is how it all started. The real diagnosis is far simpler - the guy is an idiot, of the very worst Colin Wilson "Right Man" variety. No more needs be said for me. That's grounds enough for eviction.
Comment by Richard Haynes on August 4, 2009 at 11:22pm
For the record, so do I.

I don't want you all thinking we are ignoring this. There is much discussion going on behind the scenes. I will have more soon.
Comment by JayBarti on August 4, 2009 at 11:20pm
Nice point Daniel.
Comment by Sentient Biped on August 4, 2009 at 11:16pm
I may be he next one to get banned from the site, for doing this, or lose friends. But to show the level of offense of some of his statements, I replaced the word "gay" with words related to gender, ethnicity, race, or even atheist. This is also in the letter that I sent to Brother Richard. If this offends, my apologies - it IS offensive. What I have experienced in a lifetime as gay man is the same kind of prejudice, bigotry, inane arguments, specious claims, as spewed by Charlie Check'm. Also violence and discrimination, and grief. I have not used it as an excuse to become a victim - I'm a military veteran, a published scientist, and a respected doctor in my community. Even so, Charlie's words filled me with rage, and anyone who values gays as equal to other human beings should feel the same. I don't need to see it here.

So here goes. Most of these are one word changes, from 'gay' to a different category. In a couple of cases, I replaced other words to make a sensible substitution.

“I"m an Atheist and I'm against interracial marriage for the same reason I'm against people marrying their pets.”

“I don't hate Jews. I just think they have an acceptable mental disorder."

"You're a bigot towards ANYONE who knows something is wrong with women's brain.”

"Pro-atheist bias study of pedophilia"

“It's not my fault that they [Blacks] literally hate anyone who exposes the truth about them. They label anyone who opposes interracial marriage as racist.”
“LABELING PEOPLE RACIST IS THE ONLY WEAPON THEY HAVE.”

“Atheists shouldn't have anything to do with women.” “…Atheists primary concern should be Atheist rights, not women's rights. It seems as though women are trying to turn the Atheist movement into a women/Atheist movement.”

“I think if interracial marriage became normalized, black men believe they would have a better chance of seducing white women.

“I agree that some people are born female which is a brain defect.”

“There is something twisted about being attracted to the wrong race.”

Those are the sentences of Charlie Check'm, only the 'gay' part is changed.

Charlie Check'm needs to be permanently banned. I will not be part of any discussion or group that he is in, and I encourage the same of anyone else. If he returns to the site, Im fairly sure that I need to go.

Respectfully,
Daniel
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 4, 2009 at 11:12pm
Jacq: I am wondering if he is not sexually experimenting in the same fashion as Catherine the Great....

Of all the erroneous history out there, this is the one bit I have always wished was true. There are of course those that won't let a good rumour die. The horse tale is just one aspect of a lady that knew how to live life.
Comment by Nate on August 4, 2009 at 10:30pm
The same coin Charlie uses could be used to say the only reason most people are atheist is because they were traumatized by some one or some thing that pushed them away from god.

One vital break in that logic- most of us have met living breathing homosexuals, none of us have met god. But you raise an interesting point. There is an important distinction between those calling themselves atheists who are in fact theists angry with their god and those that arrive at atheism by shedding dogma.
Comment by Michael on August 4, 2009 at 10:21pm
Well in Defense of Charlie Bigotry, hatred, and ignorance isn't limited to a belief in a god figure. Sure justification is found there for the religious and i'm sure if you scoured enough science journals you'd probably find at least a few people who call them selves scientists-- that will agree with the "mental trauma" or "mental disease" theory.

However if your going to open that window as an atheist you in turn negate all nonbelievers who had some traumatic religious up bringing. The same coin Charlie uses could be used to say the only reason most people are atheist is because they were traumatized by some one or some thing that pushed them away from god. Who hasn't heard that argument before.

All in all I'm for freedom of speech even if it is groundless drivel like this. If Charlie is unbanned and wan't to argue these points i'm fine with that.

The statistics say your more likely to be atheist if your intelligent and well read - not that you have to be intelligent or well read to be an atheist.
Comment by Nate on August 4, 2009 at 10:05pm
I bet his hard drive is full of she-male pr0n.

She-males on horses.
Comment by Фелч Гроган on August 4, 2009 at 10:02pm
Nate: Maybe the guy is struggling with his sexuality?

Krusty: And maybe he's just a homophobic asshole.

I bet his hard drive is full of she-male pr0n.

Daniel: [Daniel hitting the nail on the head]... I made the mistake of looking at his web site. Same shit as here. He's a bigot.

Yes. And it was the denial that he may be just a common bigot that unleashed the floodgates of "reason" in responding to him. That was the whole problem. And I bet Chuck is still laughing.
Comment by LarissaFae on August 4, 2009 at 9:28pm
Brian Parra said: Its sort of like realizing your nice neighbor has corpses in the backyard when the police show up with the bulldozer.

There was an old man writing to his son in jail, once. He wrote, "Vincini, my son, I miss you terribly. I remember when you were younger and would help me break the hard earth in the garden, and help me plant and grow the tomatoes that your mother would then make into her delicious spaghetti sauce. Unfortunately, I do not believe that we will have tomatoes this year, as I am too old, and my arthritis is too severe, and there is no one to help me tend the earth." He went on a bit longer, talking about the family, friends, life, then signed it with love and sent it off.

Two weeks later, he received a frantic letter from his son, which read, "Papa, don't dig up the garden, whatever you do! That's where I hid the bodies!"

Immediately after, the FBI swarmed the old man's house and tore up all the garden area that they could, but found no bodies.

A few days later the old man received another letter from his son. This one read, "It's should be all right to plant the tomatoes now, Papa. I'm sorry, but that was the best I could do."

:D

I thought things were getting a bit too serious here. :D My tomatoes are doing splendidly.

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