I am proud to be an Atheist and I enjoy  discussing various  topics  on A/N......I may  not believe in God  or all the  fables  in the  Old or New testament, but some of us do believe in traditions from our culture  unrelated  to any Theistic  belief.....Maybe  being  Jewish  is unique, because it is a rich culture with  a very long history as well as being a religious faith......I may  have  rejected the religious  part but  certain traditions are important to me  because  they define  who I am and  where  I came from....People  who have  roots in various  countries  of the world may  no longer  believe in their ancestral  religion  but  still are proud  of the culture  from which  they came......It defines  us.......Some traditions of a certain culture, many  may not agree with,  but it is important  to respect  them none the less....

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Comment by Michael Pianko on August 20, 2014 at 5:16pm

(last time I spelled whole scroll wrong)...

The famine in cannan is fiction. The Hebrew slaves in Egypt are fiction. There was not a single Hebrew slave in Egypt. Not even a few Hebrews migrated into Egypt and none migrated out of Egypt. The entire exodus is fiction. And the sea splitting is fiction. Should I laugh my ass off at the idea that somebody would believe this stuff or nodd in a gravely serious manner, pretending I agree? Take away any embellishments and the remaining basic story is 100% fiction. The entire Torah is myths and folk tales. To be polite, the whole Torah is horseshit. Not just some of the the Torah, the WHOLE SCROLL is made up. The entire saga of ancient Hebrew and Israelite history is made up. Our whole lives should not revolve around the so called truth or perfectness of one lousy scroll.

Comment by Michael Pianko on August 20, 2014 at 5:15pm

I am only being extremely honest about the nature of the delusion we both believed in. After all, this is actually an atheist website where people gather to be extremely honest about religion. You already recognize that our Jewish deity is imaginary, so how much stranger should it be to see that the whole Torah is false too? You easily recognize that other culture's myths and gods are made up, so why should you be surprised to find out that our own culture's stories are myths without any amount of historical truth, also?

Comment by Michael Penn on August 20, 2014 at 5:09pm

I get my information from people like Israel Finkelstein. Him and Silverman have done a lot of digging and the findings upset the Jews also. Until the late 1960's an archeologist had a bible in one hand and a shovel in the other. Today they just have shovels. There is no evidence for things the bible (or Torah) says or the way it says them and places events in a different  timeframe. Everything is off. It means things happened differently or the writings have all been re-written. I think it means both.

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 20, 2014 at 5:05pm

@Michael Planko.....I have tried  to be rational  with you, but you are just  too difficult to deal with...For someone who was born Jewish, It behooves me why you feel so negative on this subject.  I will therefor no longer  respond  to your threads... 

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 20, 2014 at 4:47pm

@ Michael Planko....You seem so absolutely  certain of your claim.....I wonder how someone, like yourself, would know  for sure what happened  2000 years  ago.....I may  be giving too much  credence  to the writings  of the bible, but whoever  wrote it that  long ago, had a better  perspective than  you or I......I agree the author exaggerated  way too much   but I still think that some  of it  really happened....It may be  we will never know  the absolute truth, but I am willing to stick with what I do believe....

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 20, 2014 at 10:49am

@ Michael Penn....The..Caananites  were  the precursors of the Israelites also known as Hebrews..The reason for the various names is the translation from Hebrew to English...Hebrew was and still is  the language  spoken and is derived  from  a tribe with  a similar  sounding  name...I know it is very confusing.....Biblical history  is, which makes it difficult  to follow... Considering  very few people  knew  how to write at that time, we really  need  to give a lot of latitude in how it is interpreted today...Put yourself  in their sandals  for a minute.,and see how  you might have  written  it...Too many of us  are being too critical of the people  at that  primitive  and ancient time...   I will repeat again, no one  said the entire  Hebrew population was enslaved  in Egypt...Only those who migrated there  due to the Famine  in Caanan valley. 

Comment by Michael Penn on August 20, 2014 at 10:21am

Israelites and Caananites became one. Words are misleading here today. Israelites, Jews, etc. Hebrews moving to Egypt? Even Jesus and parents coming out of Egypt. This is vaque but is the association with Ra and Horus from the past. Now a new god is on the scene.

One million of "god's people" enslaved in Egypt. It never happened. No evidence. The holocaust did happen however and it was more than just the Jews. That evidence is contained in documents, pictures, and the ovens they burned them all in.

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 20, 2014 at 10:06am

@Luara....No, not the entire nation, The Israelites or Hebrews were  divided  into  12 tribes, named after  the 12 sons  of Jacob..They  were all spread out..I was referring mainly to the tribe in the area  where there was a famine...At that time  Egypt was prosperous  and  welcoming...

Comment by Luara on August 20, 2014 at 4:19am

The problem with the Exodus idea is that if the Hebrews were enslaved en masse or migrated en masse, there should be archaeological evidence of it.  But that evidence isn't there. 

On a small scale, Hebrews were probably moving to Egypt, being enslaved, etc.  But not the entire nation.

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 19, 2014 at 11:40pm

@Michael Planko......I totally  agree with you, you misunderstood what I was getting at....I believe  the Hebrews were slaves  in Egypt  from the time of Joseph....If you recall The Hebrews at the time  migrated  to Egypt because  of the famine  in the Canaan valley, Joseph  was a top  ranking official for the Pharaoh and convinced him  to let  the Hebrews migrate to Egypt   to work for food...When the Pharaoh  died , the new  Pharaoh wanted  the Hebrews to leave  because  their  population  was growing so large...The Hebrews  eventually were made slaves and were  ordered to build  the pyramids, as cheap labor...... .Eventually Moses  got permission  to let them  all go..Now  what I read recently was that the Red Sea  or some large body of water parted  like  a tsunami, probably  due  to a bad storm, and came roaring back  as the Egyptians  came  to slaughter them but instead they all drowned......The details  were most likely embellished  by  the writer.....As far as the Ark of the Covenant I am not sure if that is true.....Joshua  also  did not  crumble the walls  of Jerrico by blowing his Rams Horn..that  is preposterous....I do believe in the Exodus. The timing  and  details have been  exaggerated ......Why no one can prove it is troubling but  it could still happen....

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