How do you even reply to something like this

A short while ago on Facebook, a 'friend' posted:

"If violence, wars, murders, poverty & disease could be prayed away, don't you think it would have been gone hundreds of years ago? If everything that happens is Gods will, why get upset? Why rebuild where "God" keeps destroying? And if that wasn't God, how do you tell the difference?

No need to respond with more conditioned BS! Just something to think about and I decided to share my thoughts!"

Good questions. Of course it elicited some interesting replies, including the following from one person in particular. These are not edited, but shared as written.

"God permits bad things to happen so that we can learn. ..God destroys our dwellings to demonstrate for us that we are not permitted to live there or be there permanently. ..."

"God permitting mistakes and bad things to happen so that we can learn isn't a bad thing....and natural disasters are warnings for us to live elsewhere....which also is not God doing anything bad"


At that point I thought I'd weigh in with a rather irreverent take on things. So I said, "God let's bad things happen to prove Santa is so much nicer. Well, OK, there's also that little thing about He doesn't exist, too." From that point on, things took off with this particular fellow, whom I shall call KT.

"just when I thought it couldn't get worst here he comes with comparing God to a fat white fictional character smh thanks Derek"


Thinking he was being light-hearted, I replied, "Well, one fictional character is as good as the next." My mistake!

"ARE YOU REFERRING TO GOD AS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER ...? THAT WOULD BE QUITE STUPID IF YOU WERE........BECAUSE HOW ELSE DO YOU EXPLAIN THE PRESENCE AND PERFECT BALANCE OF THE BILLIONS OF INDEPENDENT / SEPERATE LIFE FORMS THAT SURROUND YOU EVERYDAY? THINK ABOUT IT..... A HUMAN CANT EVEN MAKE A BLADE OF GRASS.....@DEREK"

Yup. I got the ALL CAPS treatment. The person who made the original post replied: "Nothing said here is stupid! People have a right to believe what they choose & there is something called science! We all should question our belief. IMO"

I thought I would apologize for being the cause of the tirade on her post. 

"I apologize for KT's 'shouting' on your post. As the cause of such juvenile behaviour, I will not respond to further comments. It always saddens me to try to have a light-hearted but rationale conversation with people who would seem to be afraid of questions. "There are none so blind as those who will not see." Peace."

Well, sound the bell and go at 'er, boys! KT came out swinging with a one-two punch.

"BEHAVIOR***YOU DO REALIZE AND UNDERSTAND THAT TEXT HAS NO VOICE/SOUND RIGHT DEREK?IM TYPING IN CAPS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IM TOO DAMN LAZY TO HIT THE CAP LOCK BUTTON...FYI...DEREK ...BLACK FOLKS LIKE MYSELF USUALLY START SWEARING WHEN WE WANNA GET LOUD ...WE DONT NORMALLY TYPE IN CAPS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT....AND I THINK YOU WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE IN APOLOGIZING FOR YOURSELF AND NOT FOR ANOTHER MAN...LASTLY WHERE I GREW UP THIS IS A LIGHT HEARTED CONVO.."

"I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU DEREK BEFORE I FORGET YOU EVER EXISTED....WHY/HOW DO YOU FEEL SO SUPERIOR AND/OR ABOVE ME THAT YOU NEED TO APOLOGIZE FOR MY BEHAVIOR WHEN YOU CANT EVEN SPELL "BEHAVIOR" CORRECTLY? NO NEED TO RESPOND BECAUSE THIS IS VERY TYPICAL IN AMERICA .........I CALL IT " THE TRAILER PARK DOOR OPENS AGAIN"..AND THATS WHEN SUBSTANDARD PEOPLE FEEL EQUIVALENT AND/OR SUPERIOR TO THOSE WHO HAVE 20 TIMES THEIR EDUCATION."

Apparently done with me, KT turned his views of the world on the science comment noted by the original poster. 

"Science claims Bees are not flying..yet they don't care to explain how its moving with feet off the ground..that we evolved from apes yet they can not explain why the apes stopped evolving...that an asteroid killed the dinosaurs yet they cant explain how the asteroid discriminated ..by . killing certain species and not others...turtles..alligators. ..snakes, , most birds...lizards...etc still exist while all the very mobile predatory ones vanished. ..so yes I know that something called science.But..I'm not silly enough to follow them and their ridiculous facts that change every other week."

At least he found the caps lock key and stopped shouting. But what can you say in the face of such raging ignorance? I did not intend to reply at all after his first tirade, but when I went to get a copy of it to share with some atheist friends, I noted his next comment on my spelling of 'behavior' and his criticism of science. I don't care if he calls me names, but don't ever call me out for spelling 'behaviour' with the 'u' as that's the way we roll in the Commonwealth; and don't EVER dis science!

So I replied with a promise that I never would again after this one. And I'll stick to that promise. Here's what I said:

"KT, thank you for your lovely example of Christ's love. (Mark 12:31) I said I wasn't going to comment any further, but as I am quoting you to share some of the challenges facing Christianity today in a blog for atheists, I came back to copy your comments so I can get them down exactly. And, no, I'm not using your name. I would not do that to you. Now I find myself feeling sorry for you. You seem so full of anger, so bitter and unable to cope with anyone who expresses disagreement with you.

"Additionally, I can see now that your knowledge of science, evolution and the world outside of your apparent comfort zone is limited. For example, you've noted that I can't spell 'behavior' correctly, implying there is something wrong with my intelligence as a result. Dear, KT, you apparently live a very U.S.-centric life. That's OK. Nothing wrong with it. However, please note that the spelling you use for 'behavior' is American. In England, where the language originated, it's spelled 'behaviour.' 'Color' is 'colour'. 'Neighbor' is 'neighbour.' Hopefully, this clears up that lack of understanding on your part.

"I know you will not follow any suggestion I make, but I encourage you to find and read a good book that explains evolution. Everything you've said is wrong and consists of the usual errors shared by those who deny without understanding. KT, this is my last comment. I promise. So feel free to say whatever you want. Call me names. Say I'm substandard. Whatever you feel compelled by Christ to express. Or forget I ever existed. :) You likely won't believe me, but I do wish you all the best."

And I do feel sorry for people who are so caught up in their religion that it blinds them to the natural wonders of the universe that exist without needing creation by a god or gods.

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Comment by David Maxwell on May 6, 2014 at 4:38pm

I think it’s interesting that KT felt compelled to use the “race card” as a device for deflecting and putting weight behind his parroted myopic views. It’s like watching a white trash, trailer park mother holding her child before a shotgun wielding killer like some sort of shield.

Sounds like you were dealing with a very small man.

Comment by Michael Penn on May 3, 2014 at 3:56pm

Joan, my worst statement form a christian came as I made fun of the "spirits in heaven" sending a brand new shiny penny to relatives on earth to "prove they were OK" after they had died. I said the entire idea was rediculous and insane. The theist says "what, you don't believe in spirits? You used to be a christian so why do you not believe in spirits?" He went on and on until I had to ignore him.

They argue this crap and where is their Buy Bull proof?

Comment by Luara on May 3, 2014 at 2:02pm

Derek,

The first person you quote was thinking a bit.

The other, no.  He's simply parroting stuff he heard from other religionists.

And he's never gone online looking for answers to the questions !!!  The answers to most would be very easy to find.  They are FAQ's. 

You could give the answers if you have the patience.  Or tell them to google the question - give a bit of google training.  Challenge him to question his ideas by looking for contrary information. 

Awhile ago I got someone with a religious background asking me that type of question, which religionists had posed to him as "proofs" of God. 

And I answered the questions.  He just got thoughtful.  He's an intelligent person. 

It does NOT help to scold the person for "juvenile behavior".  It just creates antagonism. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 3, 2014 at 11:56am

I often encounter delusional thinking on Facebook and sometimes I respond with what I think is a reasonable statement. Gosh! Do I get hate mail! The worst is from born-again christians. Some have a real mean streak and act as though god is directing their fury by example. 

What are my options?

1. Remain silent, not wanting to fight publicly. 

2. Remain silent, and feel helpless. 

3. Write a vitriolic response, feeling like "Take that you bastard!"

4. Write a reasoned response knowing it is carefully thought out and can be verified with evidence. 

5. Get angry, puff up the opposition into mighty proportions and get a chip on my shoulder. 

Well, it doesn't matter which option I choose, there is always a consequence. Quite frankly, my skin has become so thick that most of the nonsense can flow right off into the gutter where it belongs. Other times, My rage becomes so intense and I write the most awful stuff, I feel like I have put the shit in front of the fan and welcome its distribution far and wide. 

Atheist Nexus provides a safe place to let-er-rip!

Comment by Mike Mitchell on May 3, 2014 at 10:49am

Wow. I must say this individual is a prime example of the ignorance that is encouraged by religious/supernatural belief. It's so frustrating to read this, yet another example of pure irrationality. You have responded in a well thought out and reasoned way, and for that I commend you.

It is difficult for me to accept that people like this will likely not be convinced. But if they are, it is most certainly through exposure to responses like yours. Well done.

Comment by Derek Bly on May 3, 2014 at 10:35am

Hi Michael and Loren. Thanks for your comments. Michael, I don't think I'll be avoiding FB, but I could avoid commenting on the ravings of fanatics. :) Loren, that image is haunting the quote so accurate. Thanks. for sharing.

Comment by Loren Miller on May 3, 2014 at 8:02am

This is insufficient as a full response, but considering the denseness of the person you were talking to, I doubt any kind of logical or rational argument will get through:


By the same token, you have a god who sends cataclysmic meteorological events to people to "teach them a lesson," but doesn't do this consistently.  Are the people in Alabama or Tennessee somehow worse than those in Ohio or Pennsylvania?  I mean, we had a rough winter, but that I can live with.  An EF-4 tornado taking a dump on my neighborhood is orders of magnitude worse ... and my suspicion is that, if you look at scientifically, there is very likely a far more reasonable explanation for WHY that particular region of the US is getting repeatedly hammered.

But it's as I said in my other comment.  That person doesn't want to think logically.  He wants his god as his universal excuse and that's it.

Comment by Michael Penn on May 3, 2014 at 2:57am

Your friend that started the post got the ball rolling. The rest of it is typical theist bullshit in which they even sound scared as they rant and rave. One solution for it is to avoid Facebook.

I'm always amuzed when people try to tell me what god is doing. I think one reason I finally became atheist is that I discovered exactly what god was doing. Nothing.

Comment by Derek Bly on May 3, 2014 at 12:32am

Joan, thank you. I appreciate you. And I really understand your experience of observing nature it all its glory. 

I was once a born-again Christian. I thought being the creation of a 'loving' (Ha,ha,ha!) god made me special. Now, after being away from those thought patterns for many years, I can say the sense of wonder I feel when I look into a star-filled night sky is far greater than anything a 'supreme being' could offer. Created out of dirt at the whim of a god, or the result of millions of years of evolution with a connection to the world around you. What makes you feel better?

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 2, 2014 at 11:36pm

ARGHQ@! I have to take a deep breath, several, in fact, go get a fresh glass of water, look at some cute kitty pictures before I can begin to think without the rage against ignorance that I feel.

I'm not very patient or compassionate with people who are willfully ignorant. You are a man of great character to even be civil in return for his barbarism.

So, I will spend the rest of my little contribution to say I had a wonderful Day of Reason, observing nature in all its glory, and feeling the dirt under my fingernails assuring me that spring is finally here and the ground is almost warm enough to plant some seeds. Still too early for transplants.

There, now I feel better.

I respect you as a man of integrity and empathy. You, and people such as yourself, offer hope for solving some of the challenges facing us. The Bronze Age died long ago. It is too bad that some humans remain locked in that time frame. They are the "left behind ones", only because of their refusal to grow up.  

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