Hello!

I am relatively new here, and this is my first post. I'm a busy Mom and I don't usually take the time to blog about anything.

But I am annoyed.......again! I thought that if I survived another holiday season of listening to many of my Christian friends and family 'take sides in the war on christmas', that I could just go on with my life until the phony war rears up its ugly head again.

Now, I am more of a political junky, and my main concern is money in politics. It's the root cause of a lot of the problems that we have here in America. Affecting my general big 3 concerns; the environment, healthcare, and education. I care about freedom from religion, but it's not my main focus. Being in WI, the home of FFR, I have a lot of atheist friends who do seem to make this their main priority. And perhaps listening to them, and learning their arguments, has made me notice more annoying behavior from the Christians that surround me.

I'm, for now, going to skip over how they annoy me with there arguments against choice and homosexuality. This is related to a lack of concern for the environment, because, you know, god and stuff, blah, blah, blah. But there is a women I know, who is nice and we have polite debates on many topics. Overpopulater (6 kids), homeschooler, smug reposter of Christian blogs, don't worry, god will take care, or not, all part of the plan, more blah, blah, blah, you've all probably heard it. Well, she had started to do more gluten free and organic. And we share recipes, my son has behavior issues connected to certain chemicals in packaged foods. Well, today she posted a Christian blog that told her food was not god. That while it's nice to homecook meals and eat organic produce, it's really not necessary, insert anecdotal evidence about 90 year olds who drink coke everyday here. God will, or will not, give you disease, and will, or will not, heal you. All part of the plan, you know, no need to try to be better. Yuck!

I'm very live and let live. You're welcome to your religion, not my business, so don't try to make it so. Don't want to be insulted by my beliefs, don't ask me questions that make me tell you that god's not real. Now that I'm 'out', it seems that I have more praise Jesus' and god's from those surrounding me. I don't know if it's increased or just my annoyance. But I needed a vent. I'm glad that this space exists!

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Comment by booklover on January 7, 2014 at 4:02pm

That's a good answer k.h.!  I like the "your god or anyone else's."  That last part should stop and make them think!

Comment by k.h. ky on January 7, 2014 at 3:59pm

They really become more annoying once we're out.  I ranted recently about having to listen to people invite me to church,pray for me, say goddidit etc...I can't take it anymore so my standard answer is I"m an atheist.  I don't believe in your god or anyone else's. That usually just shuts them up.

Comment by booklover on January 7, 2014 at 3:17pm

Felaine, that was an awesome post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by sk8eycat on January 7, 2014 at 3:10pm

Same back atcha, Joan!  When I read what you write, I sit yere nodding my head, and murmuring "Right AWWWWNNNN!"  But I envy you your education.  I'm just a self-taught ex-chorus girl, as you know, and sometimes I feel like I'm out in left field trying to catch a ball that's flying in the other direction. (Not what you write, but people like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are over my head sometimes.)

That is why I love Ingersoll so much; he was addressing everybody in language we all can understand.  And he used humor...a powerful weapon that the USA has forgotten for the most part.  Make your opponent/enemy look like a stumblebum or arrogant royalty....I think of the cartoons that Disney and Warner Bros. (my neighbors!) produced during WW2.  They were funny and effective; kept the fear level down.

Gotta run!  I'm applying forr assistance with my utility bills...I'm so far below the "poverty line" that I'm invisible. And I'm angry. Our utility bills are so high because we all are still paying off the debts that Enron created in every Western state.  Flight-Suit Boy's buddies.  [gnashing of teeth]

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on January 7, 2014 at 3:03pm

BTW Carol, you can use A/N to find nearby atheists or even an atheist group if you desire more personal communication. There are many groups popping up in heavily Christian regions for getting together over a cuppa.  So A/N gives you extra options there.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2014 at 2:06pm

sk8eycat, great comment! You have real vinegar and salt at just the right tone and intensity!. Everything you wrote fits my understanding. When you play, it feels like a playful cat, when you purr, it feels so good, and when you roar, it is with the power of a female lion protecting her cubs. I love it! 

Comment by sk8eycat on January 7, 2014 at 12:47pm

Hi!  Welcome to our "safe house."  I've been an atheist for about 50 years (I'm 70-something), and I think the god-talk has been getting worse since the Reagan administration, when the GOPhers and the evangelicals began crawling into bed together.

I think some of them are nervous because their imaginary friend didn't show up on Jan. 1, 2000 (or 2001 take your pick), but some scruffy idiots who worship a different imaginary being DID show up on 9-11-01.  Since then we've (the country in general, but mostly the politicians) been behaving like we're the only nation in the world that's ever suffered a dastardly attack, and that we need supernatural help to survive.

PLUS...a lot of the god talk is a smoke screen...to distract the sheeple from what they're really doing in DC, and state capitals all over the US.  They get everyone riled up about evolution/creationism, abortion, gay rights, a fake "war on xmas,"and then pass bills giving control to Wall St.(and tax breaks to people who don't need them) behind our backs while we're distracted by the emotional issues.

The neighbors you are hearing babbling about "god's plan" have bought into the smoke screen...they are frightened...of "terrorists," foreigners of any kind...change...the future.  They want to go back to a Golden Age that never was.  I also think that many of the god-talkers are beginning to have doubts about the reality of religion, and are reassuring themselves that they haven't been conned by mentioning god as much as possible. Like the Cowardly Lion saying "I do believe in spooks!  I do!  I do!".

As for "god's will," I call it god swill. In their faces.  Their god can't be a very smart planner if he couldn't even make two ignorant, innocent beings follow his orders...as in "Don't touch that tree!"  My first step into disbelief was when I started to wonder why an all-knowing creator put that tree in the garden in the first place. AND the "serpent."  It's called "entrapment." I got tired of hearing people say "God is testing my faith" when something terrible happened to them. Why would the "all-knowing" have to test anything?  She/he/it already knows everything. (What these people are really saying is that god is paying attention to them, so they must be important. Arrogant twits.)

Have you read any of the collections of Robert G. Ingersoll's speeches, essays, letters, wisecracks?  Books like "Some Mistakes of Moses" are not only interesting and delightful, they contain good short remarks about the idiocy of it all.  It's amazing that he was THE most popular American orator in the Victorian era...we truly need him now.

Anyway, pull up a chair, get comfortable, and rant as much as you like.  This is the place.

Comment by Laura J on January 7, 2014 at 11:06am

You're not alone, Carol! I know that when you are surrounded by outspoken theistic friends and family members, it certainly feels that way. I am in the same boat. Although I haven't come out to my family, I have been an atheist for 10 years. It gets hard, at times, to smile and bite your tongue. I'm glad that you've found a place to vent :)

Comment by Michael Penn on January 7, 2014 at 11:01am

I used to be "live and let live" and I still claim to be. Problem is, I'm hearing and seeing more religious junk around me also. Maybe that's normal once you realize you are atheist. It certainly sets you apart from everybody else.

My wife says leave others alone and let them believe what they want to. I can't do that. 9-11 was a religious event also, it just wasn't the religion of most of us. Therefore, when I hear any "god shit" out of others I'm going to tell you about the fairy tales you believe in!

Where is Thor when you need him?

Comment by Carol Ashley Tarzon on January 7, 2014 at 8:08am

Thanks all! I have a temporary solution to my problem, lol. I'm taking a break from reading certain kinds of posts on fb. I generally like to hear other people's thoughts/arguments on things, but I am off of reading anything that has been run through the 'what the bible tells us' filter. There's no outlet for me. I am not the person that tells others that their supposed #1 priority is wrong and stupid. As long as they don't involve me in it, I'm content to be respectful.

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