I am fat, I know I am and even if I didn’t know I was people tell me often enough when I am in public. I have always been bigger, but I was at least active. I went to the gym and took part in the martial arts for years.

I’ve been trying to lose weight again and I have been but I haven’t lost anything in a month now. I fear I am going about to gain it all back which would just send me into depression worse than I already deal with on a daily basis.

Depression has always been an issue for me. My self esteem goes up and down depending on which direction my life is taking at the time. I took two large hits a while back when I had to move hundreds of miles leaving everyone I knew behind and before that I was dumped. So those didn’t help.

I couldn’t and still can’t afford to go see anyone about anything but I did have the shoulder of a friend online for a bit till they vanished. I’ve looked into groups that meet to deal with such things but I live in a small town and the ones I’ve found and tried were heavy into religion and wanted more to convert me. So that rules out group meetings. This has lead me to just stuff shit down inside of me like always and try and carry on. But over the last month or so I’ve had a lot of time late at night to myself to think things over since I haven’t been sleeping well.

In this time I have found the reason I keep failing at losing weight and fixing my life and it is one that just makes me feel even more like crap. Deep down inside I want the weight to kill me because I am unable to pull the trigger. Just typing this is one of the hardest things I’ve done. I try to keep from breaking down while typing it but it isn’t something I can do. But I am glad it at least down on something now. I hope admitting to this helps me in someway. Only time will tell really.

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Comment by Luara on July 21, 2013 at 3:27pm

There are lots of labs around that do tests, but there isn't yet a scientifically supported test for these delayed food allergies.

Some of the tests, like blood IgG+IgA for foods, may work, but for now it's hard to tell what they mean. 

There are two possible mechanisms I know of for delayed food allergies. 

One is that you can have a localized IgE-mediated allergy, in a specific mucous membrane.  If this happens in the gut, that would mean you would have a local IgE allergy in your gut that wouldn't appear in skin or blood tests. 

Also it appears that immunoglobulin free light chains can also trigger mast cells, in an FLC-mediated allergy.   FLC's are higher in some autoimmune diseases, and since celiac disease is an autoimmune disease, it could be that FLC-mediated allergies go along with celiac disease. 

I wrote about this in a post in the Medical Atheists group.  I don't know how IgG and IgA blood levels relate to these possible mechanisms. 

I got testing from Enterolab.  That was in 2003.  I had done an elimination diet, and I got quite sick from all grains, milk, apples and citrus. 

I knew that gluten and dairy cross-react, so I thought it might be a gluten intolerance.  I had been gluten-free too long for celiac blood tests to be sensitive, so I got Enterolab's testing.  They told me I had IgA anti-gliadin and IgA anti TtG antibodies that were 8-10 times normal, so I figured I probably have celiac disease.  It would have been extremely traumatic to go back to eating gluten, so I didn't do a gluten challenge so I could get celiac blood tests. 

Enterolab is run by a gastroenterologist.  His testing also lacks scientific support - it's not clear what the results mean - but he's measuring some of the same antibodies that are measured in blood tests for celiac disease - so his testing is likely useful to detect celiac disease or pre-clinical celiac disease.

Comment by Carolyn on July 21, 2013 at 3:02pm

Hello. I have located the information on the blood tests that I had done. The following link is for Cyrex Labs catalog of Tests and Arrays.

http://www.cyrexlabs.com/CyrexTestsArrays/tabid/136/Default.aspx

I had Arrays 2, 3, and 4 done. Array 4 is very important in that it tells you what OTHER foods you body also mistakes for gluten. These foods would then have THE SAME affect on you as gluten does (assuming you are gluten sensative). All the best everyone.

Comment by Luara on June 30, 2013 at 6:12pm

 Also, my doctor said you do not need to be eating a gluten loaded diet for the tests to work. He said if you have consumed anything in the last 3 months or so that you are allergic to, it will show up.

See this link.

Comment by Carolyn on June 30, 2013 at 1:42pm

Also casein and non-gluten grains can cross-react with gluten, so it may be necessary to also eliminate other foods.

Yes, I am cross reactive to casein and coffee. I was not coffee drinker so that was no great loss, but I do miss dairy. But I wouldn't go back for a second. Feeling good is worth way more than short term pleasure derived from eating.

You should get tested for celiac disease first before trying a hypoallergenic elimination diet, because you need to be eating a gluten-loaded diet for the tests to work right.

I highly recommend getting tested. A blood panel will tell you for sure what you are sensitive to. And note I say sensitive. You can come back negative for celiac disease and still be miserable. Remember, celiac disease is the term that describes the condition after your gut lining is basically destroyed. This occurs after years and years of inflammation during which you may have been symptom free (as I was). The general medical community will only recognize (and test for) celiac disease. You need to find out if you are gluten senasative. Also, my doctor said you do not need to be eating a gluten loaded diet for the tests to work. He said if you have consumed anything in the last 3 months or so that you are allergic to, it will show up.

I have had many people ask me what test to ask for specifically. I will contact my doctor and post the answer here soon.

Nick, I hope this is helping you and has not gone too far afield into a discussion of gluten. I just wanted to make sure I posted the information on gluten as I understand it.

Comment by Luara on June 30, 2013 at 11:46am

I wondered if I was gluten sensitive and went on a gluten free diet for 8 days.

You would not necessarily know this from avoiding it for 8 days.  People say it may take about 3 months for changes to happen. 

The psychological changes I went through were gradual and I didn't notice them in the first week-long elimination diet. 

Also casein and non-gluten grains can cross-react with gluten, so it may be necessary to also eliminate other foods.

I used food challenges after elimination diets as my main diagnostic tool for these delayed food allergies.  I had very convincing reactions to the food challenges, where I would get quite sick for about 4 days.  Along with some lab work. 

You should get tested for celiac disease first before trying a hypoallergenic elimination diet, because you need to be eating a gluten-loaded diet for the tests to work right.  If you quit gluten and feel dramatically better, it is going to be a very harsh experience going BACK to eating gluten for a month or whatever, just in order to get tested for celiac disease. 

Also, eliminating gluten can be tricky.  It's hidden in some foods. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 30, 2013 at 11:18am

BTW, I'm hovering at 200 lbs. I wondered if I was gluten sensitive and went on a gluten free diet for 8 days. I learned that my problem isn't gluten. I've been low carb for over a decade too, for diabetes. It controls blood sugar but doesn't help me lose weight.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 30, 2013 at 11:16am

You might want to join me in the Diet and Exercise Support and Health & Fitness groups, Nick.

Comment by Luara on June 30, 2013 at 10:37am

Exercise helps muscle strength but not weight loss.

The people who've maintained long-term weight loss in the National Weight Control Registry almost universally do this by exercise.  Lots of it. 

It's not necessarily intense sweating exercise.  Making mild long-term exercise just a part of your life, helps. 

I've seen graphs of appetite vs exercise, from research studies.  It increases with more exercise, but not enough to make up for the calories burned. 

And when someone is completely sedentary, their appetite actually increases somewhat, over being slightly active. 

You may have experienced this, it's as if one substitutes eating for physical activity. 

Getting rid of the car may be very good for your long-term health!  For me, riding my bicycle around where I live, is just part of my daily life. 

After awhile, doing this becomes a habit, one needs exercise.

Actually, mild long-term exercise is good for depression too.  It generally lifts my mood to bike around, makes me feel more alert. 

Comment by Luara on June 30, 2013 at 10:29am

Nick I urge you to seriously consider Laura's comments below. Identifying myself as gluten sensitive gave me  my life back.

It wasn't actually gluten that was making me feel suicidal.  It was other delayed food allergies, that I found two years after I went gluten-free.

There's a "masking" that the body does to suppress the symptoms from gluten and other foods, and once I had gone gluten-free, other allergies slowly became more evident as my body stopped have to do so much to suppress symptoms.  That's why it can be a long process.

I found that cromolyn, a mast cell stabilizer, reduces my symptoms from eating a small amount of something I have the delayed food allergies to.  So I think the delayed food allergies result from mast cell degranulation, just like the classical food allergies that everyone knows about. 

People with celiac disease often have these delayed food allergies.  Celiac disease is an autoimmune disease where the gut lining is attacked.  So I think, the mast cells in the gut become more exposed to food antigens and the body gets sensitized to them.  Not just gluten grains, but many other allergenic foods as well. 

Anyway, there is a VERY strong inclination to attribute one's emotional states to one's personal situation in life.  No therapist had EVER suggested to me there might be a physical cause for my emotional torment.   (I didn't talk about it with doctors because I was afraid they would just give me drugs for it, but therapists should be aware of possible physical causes). 

I had no inkling that my emotional state had something to do with my allergies!  I found this out by accident when I came down sick with symptoms of celiac disease - when I was 43.  I had had about 10-15 years of therapy and no therapist even suspected this. 

I came from a VERY bad family, so I thought I had a GREAT explanation for my distress! 

But now I think the abuse probably messed up my immune system, and I was so distressed - very anxious, suicidal feelings, somewhat compulsive - because of my messed up immune system - and a tendency to autoimmune diseases and allergies that I inherited.  My parents' abuse was made even worse because I was physiologically vulnerable. 

Comment by Tom Sarbeck on June 30, 2013 at 3:41am

Take a nap! Then another nap!

According to a very recent NPR story, during a night's sleep a person loses two pounds.

The story told of a loss of carbon. An addendum told of a greater loss of water.

A concluding sentence: "So for every gram of air we breathe, we lose less than 0.013 g of carbon and more than 0.019 g of water vapor."

Exercise helps muscle strength but not weight loss. In minutes I'm asking myself "Why am I doing this when I could just eat less?"

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