Israel has steadfastly denied using White-Phosphorous bombs during the Operation Cast Lead invasion of Gaza in Dec. 2008.  The Western media has parroted these denials whilst absolutely confirming that Israel would never, ever, ever use such a horrible terrorist tactic because ... basically ... well Judaism is a good religion and Muslims are bad.  It's true.  Just ask Sam Harris.  He says it over & over & over again in his atheist lectures about bad Muslims and good Jews.  Also, White-Phosphorous use on civilian populations is unlawful and Israel would never, ever, ever do anything unlawful because ... basically only Arabs do that kind of stuff, not Jews.  Even though the Goldstone Commission documented IDF use, on civilian populations, of White-Phosphorous during Operation Cast Lead ... the Western media, and its spokesman, Sam, just did not, could not, believe it because ... Israel good / Arabs bad, etc.etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Okay.  Except - finally - Israel has admitted that it ... did use White-phosphorous, on civilians, on 15-month-old baby girls even:

http://972mag.com/israel-gives-up-white-phosphorus-because-it-doesn...

Israel's used plenty of White-phosphorous but only on really, REALLY bad people like ... these:

http://www.demotix.com/news/62659/unseen-agony-white-phosphorus#med...

But Israel is not going to use White-phosphorous any more - once its supplies run out - because as a senior officer in the ground forces explained: “As we learned during Cast Lead, it [white phosphorus] doesn’t photograph well, so we are reducing the supply and we will not purchase beyond what we already have.”

Got that?  They're not going to drop this terror-weapon from their American-taxpayer-supplied F-16s & AH-64 Apaches anymore because "it doesn't photograph well".

And we call Muslims "terrorists"?

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Comment by Stephen McMahon on May 3, 2013 at 3:21pm

Why is its role in the formation of Israel entitled to special scrutiny?

Mainly because of the myth created by Leon Uris and Hollywood that Mr. Perlman referenced regarding "Exodus" and media from the period as a whole - that Israel was created by a small brave band of righteous Jews in the face of a huge army of Arab nationalists.  What complete & utter bullshit.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Matter of fact, the only "army" involved in the liberation of land & water from Palestinians was the one provided to Ben-Gurion by the United States back in 1946-47.  Again, copies of the actual documents proving this can be found in "Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations With Militant Israel" along with evidence of U.S. pilots supplying reconnaissance/support in the 6-Day War, another Israeli bullshit story.

The point is that poison gas and a million other human crimes are the legacy of mankind, not the departure from civility of the israelis.

We are told, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, by Western media that Israel is the shining light of Democracy in the Middle East when, in reality, it is a military theocracy apartheid state that drops White-Phosphorous bombs on little kids - and if you don't believe that, just go to East Jerusalem, the West Bank or Gaza and look around at all of the people who have not been allowed to vote or participate politically since 1967.  It's disgusting.

Where by the way was that support of ashkenazi-jews when it counted most?

The Palestinian people had absolutely nothing to do with that, and you know it, so why should they have to pay with their land/water?  Look, there have been many genocides throughout history.  I think of the Irish one, implemented by that "hero" Oliver Cromwell, who famously declared, "Just kill 'em all and let God sort it out!"  HALF of the population of Ireland was wiped out and the resources decimated.  Yet ... I don't hear about that holocaust every-other-day.  Gee, I wonder why?

Comment by Alan Perlman on May 3, 2013 at 2:12pm

Glen...Hear, hear, esp. point #3.  My early Jewish education, coming right after the Holocaust, was fanatically pro-Israel; learning the truth has been a decades-long process.  If you want a 3-hr. orgy of propaganda, watch the movie "Exodus." Oh, yeah, and in my secular education the US was always the good guys.

Comment by Glen Rosenberg on May 3, 2013 at 1:34pm

The US has overthrown lawful governments, abetted rebels and or entrenched interests all over the globe in accordance with its perceived self interest. Why is its role in the formation of Israel entitled to special scrutiny?

And Syria is a red herring. The point is that poison gas and a million other human crimes are the legacy of mankind, not the departure from civility of the israelis.

Where by the way was that support of ashkenazi-jews when it counted most?

Comment by Stephen McMahon on May 3, 2013 at 12:27pm

Justification is not needed in Israel when it is not needed in the rest of the world, not unless Jews are held to a higher standard than all others.

It's not Jews that I'm holding to a higher standard; it's the United States.  Again, read "Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations With Militant Israel".  You will see meticulous footnotes and references, direct from FOI research - xerox-scans of orders - by U.S. government officials, for the implementation of delivery of arms and conscripts into Palestine to murder and rob Palestinians in order to turn their land & water over to Ben-Gurion and his gang.  No, Jews did not do this, the American government did - basically implemented a war against Palestinians, on behalf of Eastern European Ashkenazi-Jews, not Semite-Jews, to steal land/water.

And  perhaps The Syrian government is doing their thing right now

This totally unproven supposition, actually a zionist fabrication, rampant in U.S. media, has even found its way into an atheist forum?  Interesting.  Please note that Israeli use of chemical weapons is actually documented by the Israelis which is how this blog ... began.  Funny how you're trying to turn it into an phony indictment against ... Syria?  This blog's about Israel.  BTW, Syria's government is merely trying to protect its land/water/people against criminals armed completely by foreign (Saudi Arabia, Israel, U.S.) actors, something I would expect Americans would do if, say, Israel & Saudi Arabia were arming the Ninos Surenos & the 42nd Street Locos in South Central Los Angeles in order to overthrow Obama?  However, 44% of  Republicans, these days, would be all for that!  So sure.  Yeah.  It's all good.

This was a mistake made in 1947 and it cannot be settled now by "diplomacy."

George Marshall, the smartest person our military ever produced was so disgusted by Truman’s decision that he told Truman to his face that he believed the president was acting on Clifford’s political calculations to win Jewish support, adding: “I said bluntly that if the President were to follow Mr. Clifford’s advice and if in the elections I were to vote, I would vote against the President.”

Marshall was, of course, right.  Israel never should have happened and it wouldn't have it it hadn't been for Truman's support & supply of weapons & conscripts into Palestine after the War.

Comment by Glen Rosenberg on May 3, 2013 at 10:38am

Justification is not needed in Israel when it is not needed in the rest of the world, not unless Jews are held to a higher standard than all others. And again the justification is far greater among Jews for obvious reasons. Europeans had no history in the americas. Europeans were not in danger of being annihilated by some other people. And Europeans layed waste to the american continent and its inhabitants. Some said manifest destiny. Some said that the natives needed to be saved. Hallelujah.

And the history of imperialism and conquest is a theme which plays out over and over. If you are only interested in undermining the justifications for the acquisition of the land which became Israel there is a good reason for your myopic focus.

Poison gas was used extensively in the first world war. Poison gas was used by the Italians against the Ethiopians in their little fling with imperialism. Napalm was used by guess who and guess where? And  perhaps The Syrian government is doing their thing right now.

Comment by Michael Penn on May 3, 2013 at 10:18am

I understand that the Jews and Arabs were always there, but the land division seems to have went by "biblical real estate" claims rather than give each side a piece of the pie as it should have been. Now there is nothing more to give unless Israel would "give up" some of it's holdings and we know this is not going to happen. This was a mistake made in 1947 and it cannot be settled now by "diplomacy." Neither side would ever be able to give up their mythology and live together, but they would each fight to have a homeland.

Perhaps Arafat understood this very well before he was poisoned and killed. He used to fight on front lines with his people and was once asked who would win in a war of this type. His reply was that it depended upon "who had the greater imaginary friend." Not only did his reply take religion out of it all, but his reply also showed how religion helped form the situation in 1947. People need a nation or a country.

Comment by Stephen McMahon on May 3, 2013 at 10:01am

For the most historically accurate, thoroughly-footnoted, apolitical account of exactly how the United States organized and implemented the airlift of weapons and conscripts (many of whom were not-Jewish) from Eastern Europe into Palestine just after World War II, please see Stephen Green's superb "Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations With Militant Israel":

http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Sides-Americas-Relations-Militant/dp/0...

There was absolutely no, non-religious,  justification for the state of Israel.  It was sanctioned & supported by Truman so he could win a second-term.  Period.  This was nothing but an unlawful land-and-water grab by force, carried out mostly by Eastern Europeans (Ashkenazim, NOT Semites, BTW) who had no connection to Palestine whatsoever.

Also, vis–à–vis incidents of pure violence, the Qur'an cannot compare with the Jewish bible.  Just look at Deuteronomy chapter 20, or Numbers 25.  There is nothing, repeat: nothing, in the Qur'an that even remotely compares with this type of slaughter, particularly of children (by bashing their brains in upon rocks), distinctly proscribed by Yahweh in the Torah.  Jewish religious writing contains more explicitly violent hatred against other groups than any other religion by far.  It is not improper or bigoted to point out the direct connection between Jewish religious writing and Israeli state violence, particularly as the connection is becoming more & more dangerous.  Although we are told that it is all the time, usually with some fraudulent reference to the holocaust.

No matter how fine a definition you try to put upon it, White-Phosphorous is a chemical weapon whose use - on civilians - is expressly prohibited by the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Geneva Convention, etc.etc.

Israel has admitted use upon civilians and, BTW, will continue to use White-Phosphorous until its supplies run out.  As usual, like in the cases of the USS Liberty, Lavon, Rachel Corrie, al-Arish, etc.etc. Israel claims, after a "thorough self-investigation" that it was all ... just a mistake.

And our media nods, frowns gravely and then goes on to the next story about Lindsey Lohan's new hairdresser.

Comment by Glen Rosenberg on May 3, 2013 at 1:59am

Dennis,  Jews were always there. So were arabs. Jews needed to have a homeland again after it was clear that most of the world was either in favor of their liquidation or unconcerned by it. Jewish refugees were denied entry into america and other places. It does not get any more exigent than that. 

With or without biblical support Jews were going back whence they came. How is it relevant even? Would anyone talk about the christians who attacked the arabs without provocation during the crusades, had they retained Jerusalem? Their "claim" was religious. None of that has any meaning. Examine the history of every country and you will see people who overcome others and take the land because they are stronger. Most have far less justification than Jews had. It also should be noted that when Palestine was divided in 1947 Jews were ecstatic with a two state solution. Arabs attacked immediately.

Furthermore the Palestinians have been slaughtered by other arab states. I never hear any complaints about that. Reverse the roles and you would see jews assimilated into other countries. But instead palestinians are reviled.

Comment by Alan Perlman on May 2, 2013 at 7:51pm

This is the one thing on which I agree with Mahmoud Ahmedinutjob: the Jewish refugees were European, so why wasn't the problem solved in Europe?  Give 'em a nice chunk of Bavaria, I say. But everybody conforms to the Biblical real-estate grant.

Comment by Pat on May 2, 2013 at 12:09pm

The whole thing is relatively easy to work out - save one minor detail. And that detail is that each side believes their god is the local Century 21 real estate agent.  "We have a contract with YWHW." "No. No. No. Allah gave us this land."  Get beyond that nonsense, and diplomacy might actually be able to work.  However, until one figures out how to do that, the killing of innocents on both sides will go on because, in the minds of both sides, "My god has a bigger dick than your god!"

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