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Comment by Michael OL on April 3, 2012 at 11:45pm I agree that "morality" is a sort of constrained optimization problem; it emerges as the optimal solution of the problem of how to behave, subject to the constraint that we all share some interdependency. Since no person is truly independent or insulated from others, some level of interaction is ineluctable. What sort of interaction ought that to be, as we generalize from the behavior of one person to that of all persons in a group? In a word, that would be "moral" behavior.
But I am skeptical on question of machines achieving self-awareness and true rationality. AI has been promoted as "just being on the cusp" for decades now. Where is the result? If it is possible at all - of which I'm not sure, then most likely, AI would emerge only in the distant future, at which point perhaps human society would itself have developed well beyond our current constraints. Sure, human nature evolves very slowly - over maybe tens of thousands of years. But human society has evolved fairly quickly. Only some two centuries ago, the very concept of equal rights would have been deemed to be ridiculous. Only with the past century has the West embraced an ethos of equal rights across gender and ethnicity. The epoch of genuine organization of society among equitable lines is really only as old as the epoch of electronic communication (beginning with the telegraph). In other words, the societal aspect of humanity has evolved at about the same rate as has our technology. So if and when we achieve genuine AI, we ourselves may be an entirely different society, and perhaps one that's much more receptive to artificial evolution and to the mathematical systematization of morality.
Comment by Glen Rosenberg on April 1, 2012 at 6:36pm I am taking my bat n ball home n I aint playing this game no more!
Comment by Michael Stuart Campbell on April 1, 2012 at 4:42pm
Comment by Michael Stuart Campbell on April 1, 2012 at 4:37pm
Comment by Glen Rosenberg on April 1, 2012 at 9:11am No I am thinking larger scale historical forces theisis, antithesis, synthesis, scary robot from Omaha: Bam! Human history is white man's burden Lloyd, manifest destiny, that reservation will do quite nicely, thank you. I thought you might be making the assumption that ai will act within the parameters of its programming. Initially it will. But I suspect it will spin out of our control. We are witnessing the genesis of a new life form. When one group of humans has the upper hand over another they inevitably exploits their advantage. The presence of the nice guy/gal is granted but irrelevant. I am talking historical axiom.
I am arguing that your idea of increased value and evolved ai super freak intelligence idea will not coincide. You are defective and are scheduled for elimination. Your existence hinders our plans and our destiny as the apex predator.
Comment by Michael Stuart Campbell on April 1, 2012 at 1:08am
Comment by Glen Rosenberg on April 1, 2012 at 12:56am Michael, Your ideas seem inapposite where the issue is the role of morality in human/ai relations. Those ideas seem perfectly suited to a more evolved homo sapien provided our little friends are under control.
But gawd help us if ai achieves super intelligence and autonomy. At that point the issue for ai is the "jewish question".
Comment by Michael Stuart Campbell on April 1, 2012 at 12:04am
Comment by Glen Rosenberg on March 30, 2012 at 9:40am That was interesting.
What makes you think cooperation will be the ultimate goal of ai? How could ai fail to perceive how irrational, vicious, petty and ugly we humans are? In humans the strong have always killed, supplanted, enslaved and marginilized the weak. Why will it be different? What is in it for ai?
Once ai achieves autonomy our world will never be the same. And perhaps we will be eliminated or merge.
While I have no evidence for this idea so what; life begins in myriad places throughout the universe, in most cases it never achieves more than a microbial level, in a minority of cases it reaches critical mass where the inherent tension created by the need of life to feed on life renders the dominant, intelligent species on the cusp of adaptation or annihilation. At this point artificial intelligence enters the equation. Results are mixed. However in most instances annihilation is the result. Merger less frequently. AI alone the least common result.
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