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Comment by Clarence Dember on August 11, 2011 at 4:57am

To Avicenna: You said: "7.Clarence Dember - I am a medical student. And I don't think serving in the army
makes you any superior to anyone else any more so than me being a medical student. "

I was never a professional in the Army.

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 11, 2011 at 3:37am

Let me tell you about my migraines. I don't have them any more. I could "get
them back for science" but it would cost me my job since I can't see straight
when I have them. I found out which food on Dr D'Adamo's diet for "A" blood
group was causing my migraines and I avoid it. I like the taste of the food I have
avoided but I like functioning normally better, so I'm done with that problem.
Also this food was mentioned as something to avoid when taking seratonin
reuptake inhibitor class drugs which I never used.

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 11, 2011 at 2:48am

I had a relative with an over active thyroid. It was not cancerous. It was over active. The surgeons removed it. She's on some kind of meds for the wrest of her life now so great!

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 11, 2011 at 2:32am

To Grace: Have you seen the link to Dr Zamboni's discovery on the web or my page? They are having trials world wide to validate this in the medical community.

Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on August 11, 2011 at 1:45am

I can understand why people turn alternative treatments.  I don't think they always work.  The seaweed sure did not cure my aunt's thyroid disease.  For years, I didn't take medication for my MS because it just didn't seem worth it because the side effects of MS drugs are so freaking awful.  After nearly 20 years after diagnosis, I don't have a choice anymore.  If there were some natural supplement I could take that had fewer side effects and I knew wouldn't actually mess me up even more, I would use it.  But that's the thing though, you never do know until it's too late. So I stick to my prescriptions.

 

I never heard of doctor's putting silver nitrate in babies' eyes.  They put vitamin drops in my kids' eyes at birth to prevent blindness.  They did give a hepititis shot in the hospital which was fine.  There was a ton of that in the area.  I would rather my kids get shots than the diseases the shots prevent. 

 

My reasons for wanting pot legalized are threefold:

1) It would significantly reduce the prison population and save the country tons of money.

2) Many useful products can be made from marijuana and hemp that are much more environmentally friendly than things we currently use.

3) I think the claims that pot can be used for pain control merit further study. 

 

I do agree there are probably a huge volume of people who claim they have chronic pain just want to get high.  There are a lot of people with fibro, bad backs, migraines, arthritis, etc who probably would like another pain control option.  If the tmg (I think that's what it is which actually causes the high) was removed from pot and just the pain relief was left, I think it would be a viable pain control option.  Of course, the recreational users wouldn't have much use for it.

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 11, 2011 at 12:21am

When I was born the doctor put silver nitrate in my eyes and it burned like hell to such an overwhelming degree that I blacked out. That's how I was welcomed into the world. My mom and dad were monogamous Roman Catholics and they had no sex vectored disease. The doctor was just being sure I wouldn't go blind as a result of passing out of my mom's birth canal. For me it was an OK experience until that burning sensation drove me to unconsciousness. It sucked. If I'd been born at home I would not have had to suffer that lapse in time. It was all out of my control back then. Now things are quite different. I choose what chemical compounds to employ, not you or your colleagues. If I have a medical surgery I weigh the risk to my life against the condition without surgical intervention. I have not had much surgery though. I take good care of myself. I read. I don't watch TV. I don't play video games. I never had a desire to be a medical student. I have been a refrigeration mechanic, a soldier, a truck driver, a guitar player, and I like most animals, cats in particular. I got out of the service because I was born with mucous membranes, Lymph nodes and adenoids. I also am not an immunodeficient person.
I don't like being treated as though my immune system is compromized. I almost never get sick. May be when I'm old, I'll die of some horrible weapons grade disease they make in a lab. May be genetically engineered food will shut my organs down permanently. May be I'll get killed by some crazy bastard off of his anti psychotic medication as I order a veggie Patty at a fast food joint. The thing is "I am going to live my life, the way I want to." from If 6 was 9 by Jimi Hendrix.

Comment by Avicenna on August 10, 2011 at 10:44pm

Grace - Different antibiotics affect different bacteria in different ways. And penicillin has a high toxic index (What you don't hear about are people who need emergency intubation as they are allergic to penicillin. Penicillin isn't some happy magic super drug, it's actually a weapon used by fungi to kill of bacteria.) Not to mention anaphylaxis is common enough to have a death toll and the usage of penicillin as a "give it for everything" drug resulted in most bacteria gaining a resistance to it mainly because we used it as a placebo (it is cheap) and many people didn't finish their courses of antibiotics after they felt better. 

Alcohol was banned with terribad effects. In europe MJ is a lot more relaxed however our "legalise MJ brigade" have the idiocy to keep pointing out it's medical effects (In europe we have two THC drugs that we do use.). A lot of people say "it helps with chronic pain" and forget that MJ has side effects. You cannot drive, you cannot work and all you can do is sit around getting the munchies. I would not be able to take it. Most adults with chronic pain could not take it. The people who do want to take it are people who either have a series of unknown pains (like fibromyalgia), are lying (oh I know a few.) or are plain stupid. Marijuana use is harmless but the chronic use of it makes it's proponents have some really really daft ideas. If they said "it's fun and it harms no one if we smoke it at home" then fine. Be my guest. I like acid and ecstacy and MJ to be legalised because they are fun, the safety will go up and they can reduce the earnings of criminals.

 

In the USA the problem is the moment you say socialised medicine people have fits and froth at the mouth. Out in limey land we have the NHS (And we pay taxes for services) to keep us healthy. Remember most doctors have crippling debts and make insane sacrifices. I work 90 hours a week. Twice as much as most people. I work 6 days out of 7.

Clarence Dember - I am a medical student. And I don't think serving in the army makes you any superior to anyone else any more so than me being a medical student. It does make me however more knowledgable in medicine than you in the same way that a plumber is more knowledgable about plumbing than me. And if you knew owt about humanity then you would know that IQ is nothing but the ability to solve a sudoku puzzle faster than me. 

It is simple. The body only functions in one way. It is called "physiology". When it breaks down it is called "pathology". Medicine functions by attempting to turn pathos into physios. It does this by altering the mechanisms in your body. 

Natural medicine also is supposed to do this. If a natural drug works (eg. Marijuana, Opium and Heroin, Cocaine) then we go take the active ingredient and use it in a pure form (eg. Sativex, Morphine, Lignocaine) so that we can control dosage and maintain a pharmacologically calculated amount. 

All alt. medicine MUST have the ability to cause change on physiology either of humans or of our parasites in order to work. If it is shown not to or have a much lower pharmacological profile than medicine then it is not used. If it is shown to have a good profile, then real medicine takes it and makes it more efficient.

Penicillin is as Natural As Natural Can Be. It is a product of fruit mold. We just use it in a pure form rather than as the mongols used it by tying it into poultices. Alcohol is natural too, we disinfect wounds by using pure ethanol rather than boiling wine. And curare is natural to, we just know how much to give to cause a heart to stop but not your lungs while we do bypass surgery. Atropine? Natural. Strychnine? Natural. Warfarin? Natural....

The difference is that we aren't rubbing poison arrow frogs and pouring belladonna juice into your eyes, we are just using active ingredients. It is common sense. 

Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on August 10, 2011 at 2:39pm

I wish they to the high out of marijuana and turn it into a drug as I never want to smoke or get high.  Alcohol is a much more dangerous drug and it's legal.  I have a lot of reasons why I believe marijuana should be legalized, but only a few of those reasons have anything to do with medicine.  A big one it is it and hemp are excellent for making paper and other products. 

 

I don't know if doctors get a kick back from drug companies or not, but it seems like if you have a little money, they are going to prescribe the most expensive medication when there are cheaper ones available.  When I was in the Air Force, I got shots of penicillin, now I get expensive oral anitbotics that have lots of side effects and take longer to work.  I'd rather just get a shot of cheap penicillin.  I know a guy who spends $4,000/month on prescriptions.  Sure, they're working, but there's got to be a cheaper way.  A lot of elderly people have to choose between their medications and food. 

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 10, 2011 at 2:30pm

To Rob Van Senten: Credentials have their own respective standard bearers for the credential. You
are not the standard bearer of the credential of Naturopathy. You want to hold
forth on the non-validity of an architectural rendering, build it and see. Apply
the blue print and see if it is a waste of your materials or not.
If Naturopathy works and you refuse to use it, I did not say if I believe it works,
I said if Naturopathy works as per the Eat Right For Your type diet as I have
represented in this post, whether or not you accept my experience with it does
not matter to me and it does not diminish my I.Q. either. I have enjoyed less
intestinal upset and greater ease of bowel movement, more mental clarity and
less fat storage as a result of the Eat Right For Your Type Diet. This is actually a
condition I experienced, not a conjecture or a hypothisis. I am in better
condition since applying this tool for my health. You are not the standard bearer
or the arbiter of my decision tree and what you hope matters not when I
am constipated nausiated or exhausted. Apply what ever make shift standard
you desire to your own lives. I will dissern my own road with out your agreement or approval.

Comment by Rob van Senten on August 10, 2011 at 1:59pm

"There can be no proof of Naturopathy in Medicine. There can
be no proof of medicine in naturopathy."

 

This reminds of the method of the Discovery Institute of the Intelligent Design movement. It's called medical science for a reason, when you say that Naturopathy cannot be proven by medicine you are in effect saying that Naturopathy cannot be proven by science. Ergo, quackery.

 

The AMA is not the sole arbiter in regards to medical science, do you honestly believe that tens of millions of people that work in medical science every day would miss out on the opportunity to save people in new and innovative ways? 

 

"Evidence is contextual not valid across all credentials."

 

Evidence is proof, you are creating a dichotomy between evidence and science and your precious naturopathy. There are only two things, evidence (science) and wishful thinking (quackery). Without evidence you have no basis for determining the likelihood of naturopathy's truth claims so you are involved in quackery.

 

You might claim that only a naturopath can determine that naturopathy has merit, which is a sort of "you have to believe in it, for it to be true" ring to it. We don't need people or credentials to determine what is valid science and not, that's what evidence is for.

 

 

@Avicenna,

 

I get your frustration, I have seen the consequences to different effects but I do get it.

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