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Comment by Clarence Dember on August 13, 2011 at 3:53pm

Hi Prog. Rock Girl,
I have memory of the day I was born, My point is the physician who dimmed my view that day assumed my part in the matter at that moment was inconsequential, He seemed to have done that inoculation many times before. He brought me from the nurtured space my mother had generously and graciously provided into that confused powerless bewilderment panic and laps into unconsciousness from the sensory overload which followed my ocular cleansing ritual. So, the moment of my birth has remained with me. It did not include sight of my mother. He knocked me out.

Comment by Prog Rock Girl on August 13, 2011 at 7:56am

Avicenna: I know you mentioned this a long time ago, but my understanding of Marinol and other marijuana-substitute drugs is that it actually was more hallucinogenic and less medically helpful than marijuana? I could be wrong about that of course...

 

Clarence: you mentioned getting eye drops and blacking out when you were born. Do you have a memory of the day you were born?

 

As someone who has hypothyroid I have to take medicine the rest of my life too. Even if I'm uninsured, it's only $10 for three months and I have no side effects. I know some well-intentioned people who are entirely anti-pill. I challenge them to find me a plant that contains thyroxine and can be consistently measured to give me the right dosage.

Comment by Avicenna on August 13, 2011 at 6:22am

Naturopathy does not mean that, and if you want to improve the uptake of metabolic nutrients you administer them via a fast acting route. We do have metabolic issues such as low calcium, low sodium, low glucose, low H2O and many other metabolites which are administered either sub lingually (Place under tongue) or IV. 

You cannot physically get faster than per IV since that's injecting metabolite into your body directly. A per IV dose of anything's effect time is measured in seconds. It is best seen in anaphylaxis treatments where a patient goes from dying to breathing in under 15 seconds.

Real medicine has an entire field of metabolic disorders and our allied field of Dietician should not be confused with nutritionist who are quacks. We do specify healthy eating and specific diets for certain people but honestly people don't pay any attention to when we do so.

A lot of medicine is about telling people not to smoke or not to drink excessively or not to drink water after crapping in it or just plain eat right and do some exercise. It's not rocket surgery and I cannot name a single real doctor who says that over eating, cholesterol, excess sugar and so on are healthy ways to live. Obesity is regarded as a medical condition and if you are overweight your doctor will tell you to lose the pounds.

And your cells absorb nutrients just fine, a lot of "naturopathy" forgets that we have survived for nearly 1 million years in this ape format and we don't seem to be falling dead simply because we don't take vitamin pills and supplements. Supplementation exists for poor people (like Cod Liver oil) and those who cannot eat specific diets (Like Ca supplements for the lactose intolerant) not people who are eating balanced diets. 

I have seen hyper vitaminosis in people who take supplementations because they don't realise that too much of a good thing, no matter how natural is bad for your health.

The adage in physiology holds true.

The difference between a drug and poison is the dosage. 

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 13, 2011 at 4:25am

Avicenna, I mentioned your conflation of Homeopathy ( something that caused malaise given in infinitesimal amounts having the opposite effect) and Naturopathy (the study and practice of improving metabolic uptake of nutrients and the effective elimination of waste from the cells organs and the body at large.)
My knowledge of these things is from reading and applying Naturopathic and not Homeopathic theory or ideas at all. I don't ascribe validity to homeopathy. But as I say this I warn you that I am not what you have been painting me to be. I will not tolerate this ignorant conflation of Homeopathy with Naturopathy which you keep doing.

Comment by Avicenna on August 13, 2011 at 1:36am

Radiotherapy you mean. Radiation was discovered not invented. And radiotherapy is based of the principles that "cancer really needs killing and radiation is the ability to kill cells without cutting people open". Radiation has a colossal improvement on survival rates especially when combined with chemotherapy. Yeah it really sucks to take those drugs and that radiation but what people don't realise is that cancer is your cells gone rogue. They grow uncontrollably and will eventually cause organ malfunction killing you or metastasis to somewhere where they can cause organ malfunction killing you. That's why we don't like cancer and yes there are regression rates. Look at your finger, can you see the cells that make you up? Imagine being able to regrow from just one cell? A cancer can, you are trying to kill "all the cancer cells", even one surviving will cause a remission in a few years. 

Which is why we discuss cancer in terms of survival rates rather than cure. For instance in stage 1 and 2 breast cancer you have a 95% survival rate for over 7 years. This means that after the treatment you are  cancer free 95% of the time over a 7 year period after which you are effectively cured. However sometimes a cell survives and goes on to cause a remission at which point you need therapy again to control it. Which is why post op check ups are VITAL. Some cancers we cannot cure as easily as thought because the cells are prone to metastasis such as the pancreas or are resistant to removal such as in brain cancer. These require routine scanning for example in Pap Smears and prostatic examinations where any abnormalities are detected. 

It's not even a fight, it's the truth. The honest truth is this, our stuff is based on science and experimentation while not one person in the alt. medicine movement has produced anything similar to our effects. 

There is no facist medical zealotry only "stuff that works and stuff that doesn't and the ability to improve yourself", not produce unscientific woo that targets people who don't know any better so that you can sponge of human suffering.

Yes yes yes, i am technically a sponge of human suffering but you know what?

If I really wanted people to suffer doctors would stop working. Medicine is the only field in the world that seeks to make itself obsolete. And it's working. In the UK only 4 per 1000 children die at child birth. In India it's around 60. In parts of Africa it's 120... It shows how effective the presence of medicine is. So tell you what, lets see you do better. 

As I said, I am willing to take the Randi challenge to Homeopathy. No one seems willing to take the challenge against me for the side of alt. medicine.

And again I shall point out to you this. There is only medicine, medicine is what works. If chewing willow bark works in reducing headaches then we would make willowbark tablets (we do, its called asprin), however we don't give out alt. medicine because it doesn't work. There is only medicine and the alternative is just quackery.

Perhaps a taste of real disease is required to make you understand medicine. Come to India, we have homeopaths here too and they kill people with their treatments.

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 12, 2011 at 3:38pm

To Avicenna: Quack. and quackery are the invention of radiation, surgery and
drug practitioners. Quacks are what they condecendingly label those who help
people but do It through means other than the 3
holy waters of alopathy; which are surgery drugs and radiation. To the fascist medico zealot M.D, all other
credentials which help others yet lack the M.D. credential are Quacks, the carpenter, the
stone Mason, the civil engineer, the tin knocker, the shoe cobbler the chef, the
plumber, the roofer, the food merchant, the aviator, the truck driver, the school bus driver, all other aspects of humanity are seen as a Quacks by those chief among quackers, your cohort the
fascist medico zealots.

Comment by Avicenna on August 12, 2011 at 10:20am

I am not the one who promotes quackery, you are not the rational one here. There is a reason why procedure and testing is needed in medicine. Because "just tinkering around with people" leads to bad results and often kills people. Which is why we require proper testing.

A blog isn't a device for massaging your ego, it is a place where you encourage rational discussion. Otherwise all you have is an intellectual ouroboros where you are validated solely because everyone around you believes in the same nonsense. Your ignorance causes other people to follow quackery until someone actually dies or is badly hurt. A good example are those anti-vaccine people whose kids got measles in europe.

You are proof of something I have stated all along. That rational discourse and atheism are exclusive and some people possess one or both and that there can be an irrational atheist.

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 12, 2011 at 7:57am

Only savages attempt to deface the rational blogs of others with dogmatic screed. It makes them appear more formidable than the pipsqueaks they have become.

Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on August 11, 2011 at 8:07pm

There's always some new treatment out there that is supposed to cure MS.  I have even heard of doing chemo therapy and bone marrow transplants.  I've had this disease for a long time, before I get excited, I want to see a lot of people get better and lots of trials. Actually, I have pinned my star on stem cell research for a lot of diseases, not just MS.  I'm really hoping this research will be continued and funding won't be cut off.

Comment by Avicenna on August 11, 2011 at 7:34pm

You do realise that Dr. Zomboni's procedure was to put stuff into your brain right? The first patient he experimented on was his own wife. 

It helped her reduce the symptoms of MS and so is undergoing trials at the moment. He was halted from suggesting that it is a treatment after "1 case" so that people know the mechanism from the ongoing tests.

You cannot simply do such off the prescription procedures without consequences and insurance not to mention the ethics of trying out untested procedures on people. If it works in further testing then everyone will have it. If it doesn't then Dr. Zamboni will have done something very silly. 

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