"Perhaps you and I are not so far apart. The crime should be judged on what is done to the victim not the race of the victim (though that may illuminate what happened)"
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Hate crimes..??
Started this discussion. Last reply by jay H Feb 5. 13 Replies 0 Likes
What is a "hate" crime, and what makes it any different than another crime? If I kill you, I am committing murder. I should be sentenced accordingly. Does it matter that I killed you because I hate…Continue
National Day of Prayer..
Started May 3, 2012 0 Replies 0 Likes
Apparently, today is national day of prayer and the theists will be on every street corner bowing their heads together. I live in the south..the Buckle of the Bible Belt..South Carolina. There are…Continue
Atheism and Liberalism..
Started this discussion. Last reply by TNT666 Jun 9, 2012. 55 Replies 0 Likes
Why is it assumed that just because someone is an atheist, that they have to be a liberal? In essence, There are 2 sets of issues in politics. Fiscal and Social. That is at the extreme basic…Continue
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lucas ferguson replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"You are saying that the same crime deserves the same penalty, and I don't think I've ever disagreed on that point. A lot of your arguments are against what you think I am implying, and I agree with what you've said about…"
jay H replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"The serious crime is not the burning of the cross. The crime is the intimidation through threat of violence. While in this one unusual case the interpretation of violent threat may be more likely in the case of the black person (not exclusively, the…"
lucas ferguson replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"Jay, you are missing my point. I agree with you that in both the cases you described there is a threat of indimitation that should be taken equally seriously regardless of race. However, you have compared 2 different actions which equate to the same…"
jay H replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"The problem is that your examples are NOT comparable. You are contrasting serious threat of violence with mere vandalism and attributing that difference to the racial component.
Alright, this is the point:
Case 1: Cross burning on a black…"
lucas ferguson replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"Which of my comparisons are you objecting to and why?
I think you have misunderstood me. I am not saying that we should be more lenient if crimes do not have a "hate motive". I am suggesting that hate crime legislation could provide a…"
jay H replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"That's an inaccurate comparison. Indeed that should make the original case.
The cross burning is intended to be interpreted a threat. Burning rubbish is not typically. If it were intended as a threat. However, if a simple…"
lucas ferguson replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"The intent behind a crime or action does make a difference. Intent is why murder and manslaughter are different crimes and why there are such things as extenuating circumstances.
If I burn a small amount of rubbish on someone else's lawn, it…"
Secular Forces 2013 replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"yeah i hate crimes no matter what flavor of greed or nihilism"
jay H replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"This is a bit of a bait and switch. If the argument is about recitivism, then that should be the criteria, race (or 'hate ') is NOT a valid surrogate.
Indeed theft is a more common motivation for repeat crimes"
Nathaniel Summers replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"Perhaps you're looking at it from the wrong direction. Firstly, you are going to the extreme with murder. What if it were merely assault? Sure we could still use the logic "beating up a guy because he backed into my car produces the same…"
jay H replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"I agree with you. Murder is still murder whether done for your wallet or because of your race. The victim is no less a victim because the killer's motivations were different.
Having these long court arguments (as is often the case) as to…"
booklover replied to A. Noni Moose's discussion Hate crimes..??
"I agree that if you give someone the harshest punishment for a crime, it can't get any harsher because it's a hate-crime. I think killing someone in particular, like your wife because she slept with another man, etc. there is a…"
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Hate crimes..??
What is a "hate" crime, and what makes it any different than another crime? If I kill you, I am committing murder. I should be sentenced accordingly. Does it matter that I killed you because I hate blondes? Nope. You are just as dead, and I am just as responsible for it. I see no difference. My reasoning or intent makes very little difference. Should I be punished more harshly because you were black? Or gay? or whatever you want to insert as your "abomination"..?? Not to me.Some years ago,…See More
A. Noni Moose replied to matthew greenberg's discussion States looking into Secession
"I dont think it would be considered treason. Seems to me that I read something a few years ago about Montana threatening to secede if there were gun bans. Their reasoning was that when they joined the US there was a contract..that contract was the…"
A. Noni Moose replied to Secular Forces 2013's discussion Where were the righties on spending when the Bush era slogged through?
"Never voted for Bush..and to call him a "righty" would be false. No one EVER considered him a conservative..a rebulican, maybe. He was a big government socialist just like today's regime. The "patriot act" was the biggest…"
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- At 5:22pm on October 18, 2012,
Tonya Wynn said… Nice to meet you! I'm also on the nearly-dead now facebook's libertarian atheist. BTW, I say Jesus Christ and God Damn as often as I can because it is really swearing,not exactly praying for help (in my case).
- At 10:58pm on April 25, 2012,
Steph S. said… Great discussion! I enjoyed reading it!
- At 9:49am on April 13, 2012, Steph S. said…
Greetings! Welcome to the site!
- At 8:23pm on April 12, 2012,
Ruth Anthony-Gardner said… Welcome, carlos! Glad you could join us. :D
Please consider joining a group to meet people and talk about anything that's on your mind, Hang With Friends. You might also want to look at Geek and Nerd Haven, Heathen Geeks, and Conservative Atheists. The Architecture and Urban Design group is still really small.
After you've searched for stuff that interests you in "Groups" above and in the "Forums", don't forget to look at recent activity which hides along the right margin of the page all the way at the bottom.
- At 3:49pm on April 12, 2012,
Dr. Terence Meaden said… - Hi CarlosWelcome to this world of rationality, truth and peace, where common sense leads to freethinking wisdom --- as you know by being a fiscally conservative atheist.We invite you to make good friends by joining the busy group "ORIGINS: Universe, Astronomy, Life, Earth, Humans, Religion, Gods, Atheism, Evolution, Darwin..." with 680 discussion topics and 3400 members.
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