"This doesn't follow. Again, the lack of knowledge of something doesn't imply indeterminacy. I'm trying to clean up your semantics on these terms because it's an important misunderstanding of how they are used in both philosophy…"
"This is why the way you define "indeterminism" is incorrect, as Bohmian mechanics is, in physics, considered an entirely deterministic interpretation of QM. Again, determinism only means that such is entirely causal, not that we can…"
"I know you are addressing Jonathan here, but it's good to see you understand that both determinism and indeterminism are a problem for free will.
That being said:
..is an assumption of a specific Quantum interpretation (e.g. Copenhagen).…"
"Indeed, it's always best if you can communicate with as little jargon as possible. Personally, I sometimes use jargon but tend to clarify such words in the process of discussion. Some very long concepts and ideas are packed into certain terms,…"
"Personally, I'd never use the word "sophistry", as words like that are usually left to people who don't have an argument for their position or against the position they are calling "sophistry".
I also don't mind…"
It seems they miss the even greater point that indeterminism isn't their "free will" savior. Any non-caused events that might "pop" into existence obviously can't be something within the control of a…"
"Perhaps you should educate yourself on these matters before you make claims about them that are incorrect. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle only applies to the measurement of momentum and position (not being able to measure both with…"
"The "full argument" for why free will is incompatible with both a deterministic as well as an indeterministic universe is a full books worth of material. Of course I'm not displaying any "full arguments" here -…"
"I agree it's very important that we educate people on these things, as there is an important and distinct difference between fatalism and defeatism, and determinism that understands that our consciousness is part of any deterministic process.…"
"I haven't read that one. SOunds interesting. :)
Also, I'm not saying I know that if we rewind time that it will play out exactly...I'm saying that logically, if the universe is entirely causal (determinism), then it must play out…"
"No, it doesn't follow that if free will is an illusion that so is determinism (that's a nonsequitur). Again, free will is logically incompatible in BOTH a deterministic universe as well as an indeterministic universe. That is why…"
"A logical inconsistency is a logical inconsistency (e.g. a self contradiction). Free will is and must be logically incoherent. It cannot be "logical" in any analytic sense. I don't believe in any absolute knowledge in regards to…"
"What does pointing this out have to do with the point made? Bohmian mechanics is a (deterministic) noncontextual hidden variable theory. The point is we simply don't know if the universe is deterministic or indeterministic, but free will…"
"What I said was:
"The uncertainty principle means that we can't measure both momentum and position at the same time. But depending on the quantum interpretation is could be due to indeterminism, or determinism. There is also a measurement…"