"Actually, back in high school, the biggest bully hit me and I went down. I stood back up and called him a coward. He was pretty freaked out. The threat of violence had, until then, usually worked in his attempt to get his way. The use of violence…"
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Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
Started this discussion. Last reply by Howard S. Dunn Nov 25, 2009. 60 Replies 0 Likes
You read it right.
Shouldn't there be an atheist "movement" or common position that atheism also despises the synthetic party religion of despots?
Started this discussion. Last reply by Marshall Nov 19, 2009. 13 Replies 0 Likes
Okay, Dawkins, Hitchens have hammered away quite nicely at Christianity. Shouldn't they also hammer away at the synthetic religions of Communism, Nazism, Maoism, which attempt to deify, or create a…Continue
Adherence to the Facts Wherever they Lead? Or Should We Pick and Choose those That Support Our Position?
Started this discussion. Last reply by Howard S. Dunn Nov 17, 2009. 12 Replies 0 Likes
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Atheist? Some Self Criticism Would be Helpful
Started this discussion. Last reply by Edward Teach Nov 18, 2009. 60 Replies 0 Likes
What I most viscerally detest about religion is how it is practiced by the so-called faithful. It is practiced in hypocrisy, conceit, intolerance, and anger. It is irrational with it's atrocities…Continue
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Howard S. Dunn replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
Howard S. Dunn replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"The ends ARE the means."
Loren Miller replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"The answer also is not laying down and playing dead or worse, pretending that things will get better. I've lived nearly 59 years without having to arm myself, but if I see things even hinting at drifting into dangerous territory for the…"
Loren Miller replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"As I said, I am not sanguine about being preemptive. I did not say I wouldn't be. As with just about everything else in this world, that would be purely situational ... and here I go, quoting Robert Heinlein again:
It may be better to be a…"
Jacob Gladden replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"So would it be ok to prompt them into making the first move so everybody could feel good about it? Every fight I ever saw that started with some shoving ended with both people hurt. One guys shoves another and that guy shoves him back saying,…"
Loren Miller replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"They say that history is written by the winners. Even with that said and presuming we'd be those winners, I STILL am not sanguine with getting preemptive on a physical level with the theists. If I see things threatening to get ugly, I have no…"
Jacob Gladden replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"Trance,
I have to disagree. I think a good old fashioned no-holds-barred holy war is perfectly justifiable, if in the end I can step off the last dead moron and know that my kids need not go through what I just did. To know that I won't have to…"
Jacob Gladden replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"The "means" are whatever you want them to be. The "ends" is the ridding of religion from our world. The question being, "Does the lofty goal of getting rid of religion justify using any method at our disposal?" From…"
Showan khurshid replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"No,
However, I think religionists are morally guilty of distorting facts and misguiding people for various reasons including shear selfishness. They are also responsible for most of the miseries of our current world and for most of the destructions…"
Sonny Mobley replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"If you mean violence then absolutely not, unless it is in defense. Turning the other cheek never got me anything but a slap on the newly offered cheek."
Trance Gemini replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"I agree completely with the clarification (and I think you'll agree) that "whatever means necessary" is not equivalent to the "ends justify the means"."
Jared Lardo replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"Um, what the fuck are the means, dude?"
Jacob Gladden replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"I really only meant in terms of "right and wrong" or "good versus evil". In those terms fighting is not "good". I agree with you. Really i do. I play devil's advocate a lot and nitpick people over simple…"
Trance Gemini replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"Jacob said: The only right way to fight is to not fight.
I understand your point Jacob but I don't agree.
There are circumstances where one doesn't have a choice.
WW2 was a defensive war against Fascism and had to be fought because of…"
Jacob Gladden replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"The only right way to fight is to not fight. What is right about aggression?
Do you mean fighting fair versus for example: sand in the eyes? If you mean diplomacy over violence then one of those ways isn't fighting. Do you mean when you say,…"
Trance Gemini replied to Roy Batty's discussion Do the "Ends Justify the Means" in Ridding the World of Religion?
"No and that's a long story that I'd prefer not to go into right now.
Anyway, it was a long time ago and he was schizophrenic."
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- At 5:33pm on November 18, 2009,
Dr. Terence Meaden said… - Those are fine comments, below, about the word 'believe' and the meanings and definitions of words.
Welcome to this splendid, international site and its thousands of bright people like you who recognise that religion is a fraud and gods are nothing but fictions inside the brains of the credulous.
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"ORIGINS: Universe, Life, Earth, Humankind, Fossils, Religion, Evolution, Darwin..." with its over 220 discussion topics.
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- At 10:14am on November 14, 2009,
katalyzt said… - "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." - Roy Batty
Katalyzt
- At 8:13pm on November 13, 2009,
Roy Batty said… - All human language uses words that persons with all points of view use to describe their point of views uncertainty, which in reality, in mathematical or scientific terms is better defined as a hypothesis, or in legal terms and allegation, or statistically, probability or a confidence interval. For the sake of not sounding pedantic or boorish ( I probably already do though!) I do use the world "believe". But I to find it difficult to "believe" anything. I either know something to be true, from gathering a preponderance of the evidence, maybe even to the point of eliminating reasonable doubt, or I can say that I do not know a thing to be true. I could say speculate, assume, or even hypothesize, but that's hard to do in polite conversation while eating guacamole and chips and trying not to sound like a nerd. :)
- At 5:59pm on November 13, 2009,
Pansy said… - roy, that's funny... i severely dislike using the word believe when i talk.....i also avoid using should too...
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