"I personally have found my atheist militancy dwindling as more time has gone by, with the apex of it occurring about 2 years ago. I think everyone has a tendency to want to shout it from the mountaintops when they first learn the truth, culminating…"
"Exactly - that's precisely what I meant earlier. Theists use the Kalam almost in the exact same way that they'll try to use "proofs" against the theory of evolution. Even IF we can get to a point where there was ample evidence…"
"Count yourself lucky. Any potential value or equity that growing up religious would provide you in theological debate with christians would be far outweighed by the backwards methodology that you are expected to apply to your thinking. It does far…"
"Sometimes a "thought experiment" clarifies.Here is one that a primitive tribe might easily hold since it mirrors nature as we know it.
Suppose for the sake of argument there are two supernatural spirits, one male and one female, and that a…"
"In fairness, Tom points out a few cases of the rigidity that Anthony has used in his responses. For instance, instead of him stating "this is an illogical position" when someone has just shown him that it's, at the very least, logical…"
"The Syrian rebels are comprised of 3 major ideologies (secular, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Nusra)... the majority of them are secular, so it's unfair to equivocate the Syrian rebellion with radicalized Islam. There are some present, but they do not…"
"Welcome to A/N - as far as I know, there are no undercover christians in our ranks... yet...
I agree with almost all of your post, until you get to this point:
"I do believe there were early Christians in the 1st century that believed…"
"Definitely so - the whole conversation is ineffable in many cases, and yet I almost can't resist pondering it nevertheless. It's almost as though seeing my own ignorance makes me even more curious to know, and yet I realize it's…"
"I think there is also a problem with the notion of cause itself—what it is in ordinary circumstances encapsulated in ordinary language loses all its meaning when you speak of the entire universe having a cause outside the universe and of…"
"Sooo... did anyone else find themselves profoundly nauseated at this video, to the point of planting themselves in front of the toilet boil, or am I not desensitized to barbarity of this extent yet? If not, I count myself lucky... I'm terrified…"
"@Pat -I was about to respond that though I'm far too young (just a gaffer at 26) to remember such times, it seems to me that the last 100 years has been ear-marked with moments of both progression and decline in this arena, but then I read your…"
"I'd like to address a thought I had this afternoon and procure the thoughts of those still taking part in the conversation.
The atheistic position generally seems to be "are you also agnostic with regard to Santa Claus, Thor, Ra, Allah,…"
"Hmm are you sure this is categorically divisive? I myself have had a number of my own thoughts on this matter turned on their heads in the last few months - due entirely to conversations such as these - and am actually very grateful to have been…"
"Interesting point - for me, the second premise is actually the more problematic of the two, simply by virtue of the massive presuppositions inherent within. We have, of course, determined that the idea of time without the fabric of space is…"
Your question is whether the sequence of negative numbers -1, -2, -3,…
could be considered a sequence of non-primes?
That comes down to the question of whether -p is a prime number where p is a prime natural number since -p can be factored as (-1)p.
Here we get into the question of definitions and conventions in ring theory and the customary definition is that an element of a ring is prime if and only if it has no proper factorization. (A proper factorization is a product ab where neither a nor b is 0 or a unit.) Since -1 is a unit of the ring of integers, the factorization -p = (-1)p is not proper. The usual convention then is that -p is a prime if p is a prime.
Therefore the sequence of negative integers -1, -2, -3, … contains primes.
Glad we could bury the hatchet for the time being ;) I appreciate what you say. From my side, I realize I should have been frank and direct with you in my first reply rather than the second.
As I should have stated up front, I don't expect everyone to like or even respect my way of posting. But in the cases where it legitimately detracts from the message, I'm happy to explain why I act the way I do and what the intention is. You seem intelligent and frank, so you deserved nothing less.
Definitely no hard feelings on my side ;) (Oh and I'm familiar with the expression you used. I used it as a short-hand phrase to refer to the bunch of assumptions you made that I did not feel were warranted.)
P.S. We actually kind of share first names. My real name is Mathieu, the French version of Mathew ;)
Thank you, Matthew, for your concern. Your posts have been more thoughtful than many, and responding to them gave my brain some needed exercise.
I stopped following the discussion when I posted that it had gone as far as reason would take it. At that time I had already posted that the name Atheist Views on Gun Control would have described the discussion more accurately than Atheist Reasoning on Gun Control.
Gun violence in America is indeed a problem and I wanted to add that violence of other kinds in America is also a problem. I saw this while in the Navy during the Korean War, which was a United Nations endeavor. I was aboard a destroyer in a four-ship division led in turn by American, British and Dutch commanders. While led by American commanders, the division fired our main battery guns far more often than we did when led by European commanders. Though the sample included too few nations to draw valid conclusions, the experience persuaded me that America was one of the world's more violent nations.
The gun control discussion is moving me toward starting a discussion that wilI draw out atheists' views on the role, the vitally necessary role, that emotion plays in human responses. I'm working on how to state the opening words.
Now, I will visit the gun control discussion. Be kind to y'self.
Sure thing :) As an ex-Quebecer, debating without insults and agreeing to disagree are a lifestyle choice. As a NEVER been indoctrinated, critical thinker since as long as my brain remembers (age 3.5?), I've been arguing about parenting, faith (not bibles), society, biology, violence against females, relativity of morality, and universality of education all my life. For 30 years reading books was my main vice (among others, I'm a vice rich person). I mostly focused on non-fiction, but among fiction readings, dystopias and realistic sci-fi were my favourites. I don't read quite so much any more, eye issues. But if you check out my other discussions here, you'll see I'm used to being at odds with people, almost as much with group-think-atheism-Humanism as with faithers. I hate group-think to an extreme and I've taken many university level courses in statistics, so I'm not easily duped by cute graphics meant to sway the masses, no matter which side of a debate presents them. And always remember... when numbers fail to demonstrate anything, you're left with ideas... With ideas, one must determine if one's conversation partner is informed/experienced or not... and go from there.
Matthew, I'm new enough at A/N to not know the expectations arising from friending others here. Upon reading your invitation, I decided to visit your page and the discussions you initiated.
The vigor of your reaction to Huckabee's words reminded me of the vigor with which I reacted to words and events long ago. When WW2 ended, I was finishing eighth grade and when I learned of Hitler's atrocities I raged over why human beings choose madmen to lead their nations. I had no desire to live in such a world, but I stayed around and in time learned of the economic problems afflicting the German people when Hitler started seeking power.
I'm now reading a book titled "The Allure of Toxic Leaders" and while it deals with people far more powerful than Huckabee and others like him, it describes well how such people attract followers.
The vigor in your initial post has started me to thinking: do A/N visitors remember, and will they share, their reactions to events that resulted in their questioning/doubting/etc what they'd been told about religion. I'm working on an initial post.
Re Canada. I've been to Niagara Falls and through the largely rural area east of Detroit. I've long wanted to go through the Canadians Rockies but haven't. Maybe in my next life. Ho, ho, ho.
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