Couldn't leave this one alone. It offends and repulses me. Not only does the author use bad (and half-truth) data in his claims, some of them are outright fraudulent. The idea that Christians are…Continue
"There were probably (I really don't know) several of the founders of this nation who would have liked it to be a Christian stronghold. In my mind, that just goes to reason. The opinions I give the most weight to were in favor of a secular…"
"This is exactly it. The arrogance & ignorance that the US is a christian nation. They keep repeating the lie that it was our founding fathers intent when our founding fathers own words were the direct opposite."
"I agree completely, Loren. I remember in youth group being told that if I wasn't prepared to stand up for Christ, even with a gun to my head, then I couldn't call myself a true Christian.
It's a funny thing that so many…"
"This reminds me of the attitude of the JW's going from door to door, and believing that the scripture said they would be turned away. They rejoice in the fact that they are doing the will of the vowel god, Jehovah."
"That behavior betrays their overall attitude - that this is a christian nation, that the minority is so miniscule (to them) that it doesn't matter, and that differences in belief are either beneath their notice or worthy of condemnation because…"
"I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating: there is a christian mindset out there that actually LOOKS to be persecuted. I mean, it's like part of the initiation ritual, the secret handshake to get in the door: Blessed are…"
"Yes, nothing demonstrates how Christians are persecuted more than a CPAC convention where the fundamentalists gather in the ballroom of a first class hotel, eating shrimp cocktail, and wearing Christian Dior. The refugees in the Darfour region…"
"Mindy, that's because they keep thinking we are "a christian nation." It follows to them then "if you don't like it , leave it" from an old song.(Merle Haggard.) The total ignorance here is shown yet again when Obama…"
"I hate those damn bumper-stickers on cars that say something about religious freedom here in the US, and they have a cross on them. Really? They don't get that their religious freedom stops when it gets into someone else's…"
"Yes, "the blood of the martyrs is the seed of faith" because christian religion has to be based on suffering. That is the great attraction because everybody relates to suffering (real and imagined) and this was decided when Constantine and…"
"Xtian registrars in this country yelled their heads off from the first same sex marriages - they only wanted to officiate for male/female marriages. From there they did all they could to prove that we all were after the poor little xtians.…"
"For some reason many christians seem determined to be the greatest victims of all time. Of course that isn't the case. Being denied the divine right they think they are entitled to have to deny human rights to people they disagree with is not…"
Your question is whether the sequence of negative numbers -1, -2, -3,…
could be considered a sequence of non-primes?
That comes down to the question of whether -p is a prime number where p is a prime natural number since -p can be factored as (-1)p.
Here we get into the question of definitions and conventions in ring theory and the customary definition is that an element of a ring is prime if and only if it has no proper factorization. (A proper factorization is a product ab where neither a nor b is 0 or a unit.) Since -1 is a unit of the ring of integers, the factorization -p = (-1)p is not proper. The usual convention then is that -p is a prime if p is a prime.
Therefore the sequence of negative integers -1, -2, -3, … contains primes.
Glad we could bury the hatchet for the time being ;) I appreciate what you say. From my side, I realize I should have been frank and direct with you in my first reply rather than the second.
As I should have stated up front, I don't expect everyone to like or even respect my way of posting. But in the cases where it legitimately detracts from the message, I'm happy to explain why I act the way I do and what the intention is. You seem intelligent and frank, so you deserved nothing less.
Definitely no hard feelings on my side ;) (Oh and I'm familiar with the expression you used. I used it as a short-hand phrase to refer to the bunch of assumptions you made that I did not feel were warranted.)
P.S. We actually kind of share first names. My real name is Mathieu, the French version of Mathew ;)
Thank you, Matthew, for your concern. Your posts have been more thoughtful than many, and responding to them gave my brain some needed exercise.
I stopped following the discussion when I posted that it had gone as far as reason would take it. At that time I had already posted that the name Atheist Views on Gun Control would have described the discussion more accurately than Atheist Reasoning on Gun Control.
Gun violence in America is indeed a problem and I wanted to add that violence of other kinds in America is also a problem. I saw this while in the Navy during the Korean War, which was a United Nations endeavor. I was aboard a destroyer in a four-ship division led in turn by American, British and Dutch commanders. While led by American commanders, the division fired our main battery guns far more often than we did when led by European commanders. Though the sample included too few nations to draw valid conclusions, the experience persuaded me that America was one of the world's more violent nations.
The gun control discussion is moving me toward starting a discussion that wilI draw out atheists' views on the role, the vitally necessary role, that emotion plays in human responses. I'm working on how to state the opening words.
Now, I will visit the gun control discussion. Be kind to y'self.
Sure thing :) As an ex-Quebecer, debating without insults and agreeing to disagree are a lifestyle choice. As a NEVER been indoctrinated, critical thinker since as long as my brain remembers (age 3.5?), I've been arguing about parenting, faith (not bibles), society, biology, violence against females, relativity of morality, and universality of education all my life. For 30 years reading books was my main vice (among others, I'm a vice rich person). I mostly focused on non-fiction, but among fiction readings, dystopias and realistic sci-fi were my favourites. I don't read quite so much any more, eye issues. But if you check out my other discussions here, you'll see I'm used to being at odds with people, almost as much with group-think-atheism-Humanism as with faithers. I hate group-think to an extreme and I've taken many university level courses in statistics, so I'm not easily duped by cute graphics meant to sway the masses, no matter which side of a debate presents them. And always remember... when numbers fail to demonstrate anything, you're left with ideas... With ideas, one must determine if one's conversation partner is informed/experienced or not... and go from there.
Matthew, I'm new enough at A/N to not know the expectations arising from friending others here. Upon reading your invitation, I decided to visit your page and the discussions you initiated.
The vigor of your reaction to Huckabee's words reminded me of the vigor with which I reacted to words and events long ago. When WW2 ended, I was finishing eighth grade and when I learned of Hitler's atrocities I raged over why human beings choose madmen to lead their nations. I had no desire to live in such a world, but I stayed around and in time learned of the economic problems afflicting the German people when Hitler started seeking power.
I'm now reading a book titled "The Allure of Toxic Leaders" and while it deals with people far more powerful than Huckabee and others like him, it describes well how such people attract followers.
The vigor in your initial post has started me to thinking: do A/N visitors remember, and will they share, their reactions to events that resulted in their questioning/doubting/etc what they'd been told about religion. I'm working on an initial post.
Re Canada. I've been to Niagara Falls and through the largely rural area east of Detroit. I've long wanted to go through the Canadians Rockies but haven't. Maybe in my next life. Ho, ho, ho.
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