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Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
Started this discussion. Last reply by John Major Apr 8, 2012. 22 Replies 0 Likes
I believe that these methods of slaughter are barbaric, cause needless suffering to animals, are sticking two fingers up to hard-won animal welfare laws and have no place in civilized society.Also,…Continue
Frustration at the silence and disinterest of my female friends
Started this discussion. Last reply by paul babcock Apr 9, 2011. 27 Replies 0 Likes
I find myself endlessly pissed off at my female friends for taking no interest in the treatment of women in Islamic culture. I'm tired of hearing them use terms like 'cultural sensitivity' when…Continue
Tags: misogyny, sexism, feminism, atheism, sensitivity
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John Major replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
Christopher Baughman replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"I'm in favor of this method of slaughter, but I don't expect it to be the norm in my lifetime.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation#Nitrogen_asphyxiation_of_animals_in_euthanasia ;"
Dogly replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"Oh, the lies we are willing tell ourselves to enjoy that blood dripping from our lips. You say you don't know how much they suffer, then you say they aren't in pain. Atheist don't believe in mind reading, carnists…"
Dogly replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"Melissa, Jews and Muslims will tell you that their slow slaughter method is kinder to animals, why would you believe it? Furthermore, the animals come from the same awful factory farms. Where did you get the mistaken idea that,…"
Dogly replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"Nerd, as you know, I regularly piss off the carnist atheists! "
Dogly replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"A French friend told me that halal meat is sold in most french stores, and it is not labeled. That way the muslims are assured that the animals they eat have been properly tortured, but the other carnists have no idea how the animals were…"
Dogly replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"How do you slaughter meat? Isn't meat the muscle of someone who has already been murdered? If we talk about animals as though they are just meat, how can we work up any empathy for them?
i agree with you, Loren, that when muslims…"
Lindsay Holloway replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"What would be the point of starting this discussion and everybody agreeing with me? If you look through the comments you'll find that all but one have disagreed with me and I've replied to all civily and certainly not become indignant!
You…"
Melissa Wells replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"Please allow me to adress each of these points...
* You site "every single animal welfare organization", well there are dozens of studies that do not support this opinion, they are however not performed by animal welfare organizations. And…"
Lindsay Holloway replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"You say you don't know how much the animal suffers yet in the very next breath claim they are not in pain.
Please see my comments above. Every single animal welfare organisation which has commented on the subject condemns it as causing…"
Lindsay Holloway replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"I'm very well read up the subject thanks and do not get my info from YouTube. The slaughtering methods have nothing whatever to do with minimising suffering, despite what Muslim and Jewish organisations say. The methods are entirely due to…"
Melissa Wells replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"Heres the thing... YouTube videos aside if you really read up on the subject both Halal and Kosher slaughtering methods are in part, at least, designed to minimize the suffering of the animal. Even as an atheist I personally opt to buy…"
Lindsay Holloway replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"Why not ban it? At the very LEAST we should be informing others and persuading companies not to sell it."
Vicky Geez replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"Maybe not banned, clearly labeled as you guys have mentioned already I do agree with."
Lindsay Holloway replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"No, it is NOT what I'm discussing. The reform of the entire meat industry is a whole other topic.
In the UK, halal and kosher slaughtering methods are, as far as I'm aware, exempt from the regulations governing slaughtering which others…"
Lindsay Holloway replied to Lindsay Holloway's discussion Halal and Kosher methods of slaughter should be banned
"I agree, but that is not what I'm discussing."
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