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Michael Penn commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"Then maybe it's just an assumtion that an air breathing being would have to breath air, or that they would have to breath at all. Maybe they could also breath hydrogen. I'm afraid that I agree with Justin Murray on this one. Maybe a being…"
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jay H commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"While this is better than most apologetic arguments for God(s), you still have a problem with (2). It's merely an assumption that a being cannot exist outside time and space. (All the 'logical' arguments for God(s) always have at…"
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Justin Murray commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"Sacreligious - That is a good point. Some theists claim that god is outside time and space (for sure this is special pleading). What I am saying is that, if they make this claim they prove that god is not a being (in the way that we understand…"
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Michael Penn commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"Our universe and our world is material. For this to have been created by an immaterial god is a preposterous idea. Such a being would have no existence and therefore no influence in our known universe. You want to say what if? OK, what if we were…"
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Pelumi Abiodun commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"I think that a god, being immaterial, only cannot exist in a material world. This doesn't mean he cannot exist at all. What if there is an immaterial world we don't/can't know about. This is just a big what if, am not proposing…"
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Loren Miller commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"In re: the virgin birth, Bertold - just WHERE did that incorporeal holy spirit get the sperm from to impregnate Mary, eh?  Oh, and before someone brings up parthenogenesis, let's keep in mind that even if that were possible, the result of…"
Sep 24
Sacreligious commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"I'm sorry, but this argument is flawed. You have to know bounds of time and space, you have to know what is beyond time and space, you have to know why there can't be any sentient being, why immaterial things have to be outside time and…"
Sep 24
Bertold Brautigan commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"@Loren > How does anything which is incorporeal interact with that which IS corporeal? Well, you're forgetting about that virgin birth, aren't you?"
Sep 23
Michael Penn commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"God is beyond time and space in so much as you hear claims that god has always existed. But how could this be? For god to be real there would still have to be some evidence of his intervention in human affairs within our time and space. There is no…"
Sep 23
Justin Murray commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"Thanks for post Loren. I agree. The complete lack of a mechanism is also a serious concern. I do not see why anyone would claim that god is beyond time and space. That is why I have formulated this against the existence of gods."
Sep 23
Loren Miller commented on Justin Murray's blog post The Argument from Incorporeality
"How does anything which is incorporeal interact with that which IS corporeal?  By what mechanism is the interaction accomplished?  And while we're at it, "magic" is NOT an answer!  This question is further complicated…"
Sep 22
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The Argument from Incorporeality

The Argument from Incorporeality So, I have been using this counter-apologetic for a while now on Twitter: 1. A being is a thing has the ability to exhibit intelligent behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human (including consciousness and sentience). 2. All known beings exist in time and space.3. If the theist claims that god is immaterial (outside time and space).4. Therefore, god cannot exist. What do you reckon? I am sure that it is not original. But I have…See More
Sep 22
Ted Foureagles commented on Justin Murray's blog post My atheism is about a lack of need for gods, not just a lack of belief in gods.
"I think that god beliefs are sociologically important because so many purport to hold them.  That they do so illogically (in my opinion) can't be put down to abnormal thought patterns when it is the stance of the vast majority, or at least…"
Sep 20, 2013
Joan Denoo commented on Justin Murray's blog post Is religion a form of abuse?
"Or like driving down a rugged canyon road with a rushing river on one side and steep cliffs on the other, and trying to steer by looking out the rear view mirror at some goat herders from two to four thousand years ago, with writings that emerged…"
Sep 20, 2013
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Scott Long commented on Justin Murray's blog post Is religion a form of abuse?
"For sure: I think there could be a wrong outward case made against the psychological damage wrought by the fear religion places onto children from an authoritarian father figure from fantasy land. I've heard psychologists talk about spiritual…"
Sep 20, 2013

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The Argument from Incorporeality

Posted on September 22, 2014 at 10:00pm 11 Comments

The Argument from Incorporeality



So, I have been using this counter-apologetic for a while now on Twitter:



1. A being is a thing has the ability to exhibit intelligent behaviour equivalent to, or indistinguishable from, that of a human (including consciousness and sentience).



2. All known beings exist in time and space.

3. If the theist claims that god is immaterial (outside time and space).

4. Therefore, god cannot exist.



What do you…

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My atheism is about a lack of need for gods, not just a lack of belief in gods.

Posted on September 20, 2013 at 6:56am 2 Comments

As a sociologist, I can not rely on naturalism or materialism (especially methodological naturalism).



The study of social life would be impossible from any of those positions.



Thus it is important to understand the epistemological and ontological basis of all worldviews, even if they do not lead to truth. It is enough that people believe them to be true (because sociology is not about truth, but about how people make sense of the world.



Having said that:…

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Is religion a form of abuse?

Posted on September 20, 2013 at 5:48am 4 Comments

Having recently spent quite a bit of time looking closely at the doctrines of a wide range of religions, I have come to the conclusion that most follow the same pattern:



1. An authority figure makes a claim that the individual is in some way flawed or dependent on a supernatural entity;

2. The authority figure make the claim that only they have special access to that supernatural entity;

3. The individual is thus convinced they are incomplete without the authority…

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Everyday Religious Practice 5: The Power of Ritual in the Catholic Mass and a Sense of Place.

Posted on September 19, 2013 at 11:30pm 0 Comments

"...if not for the women of this church, it would be poorer. So we acknowledge the role of these women who serve us with enthusiasm.” Different man in many layers

 

Again I let go of my skepticism about gods and let the power of the ritual of the Catholic Mass surround me.

 

I meet a skinny man who had been going to this church since 1961. Not this exact building, but the same precinct. The building in which we chat now has been a school chapel, a school house and…

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At 5:40pm on August 17, 2012, Dr. Terence Meaden said…

Hi Justin

A big welcome to this world of rationality, truth and peace, where common sense and science lead to freethinking wisdom --- as you know in being a  non believer and freethinker like us.

We invite you to make good friends by joining the busy group "ORIGINS: Universe, Astronomy, Life, Earth, Humans, Religion, Gods, Atheism, Evolution, Darwin..." with 700 discussion topics and 3500 members.

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/originsuniverselifehumankindanddarwin

Terry

At 7:01pm on August 14, 2012, Ruth Anthony-Gardner said…

Welcome, Justin! Glad you could join us. :D

Please consider joining a group to meet people and talk about anything that's on your mind, Hang With Friends. After you've searched for topics of interest in "Groups" above and in the "Forums", don't forget to look at recent activity which hides along the right margin of the page all the way at the bottom.

You might also like Atheists who love Science! and Geek & Nerd Haven. I also recommend Eco-Logical, since the climate is changing so drastically.

At 5:00am on August 14, 2012, Steph S. said…

Greetings! Welcome to the site!

 
 
 

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