"You ended your logic with a massive argument from ignorance. You even followed the classic form of the logical fallacy in your statement. That is not a logical argument. Your accusation of supernatural inclusion is bankrupt."
"I'm not going to do a wild search for population statistics to attempt to back up your outrageous claims, which you seem to have pulled straight out of your ass. That's not the way this works. You're the one making the…"
"You're aware that natural selection selects against harmful mutations as well as selecting for beneficial ones, right?
That's not what I even meant, though. Where are you getting the statement that natural selection's efficiency…"
"Okay, the obedient, submissive, inferiority thing I sort of get. Pushing a woman into her place is a very Christian thing to do.
What about the stupid and ugly thing, though?
Or am I reading that wrong? Is the first bit of your list,…"
"I dunno, maybe after I go take a few classes with Bart Ehrman. I work at the hospital that's attached to the university that he teaches at.
I keep meaning to look into taking a few of his classes, but we're so damned busy with the…"
"Heh, thanks, but I haven't particularly done that. I barely remember a damned bit of the Old Testament, except for Genesis, Exodus, Judges, and bits of the history books ... mostly the parts about Saul, David, and Solomon. I'm…"
"I've read it straight through, yeah, if you discount the fact that I skimmed like hell through the census in Numbers and all of the genealogies. I snoozed my way through most of Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon, too."
"Yeah, at this point, it's pretty much impossible to trace back to the absolute origin of a religious character ... just like with Jesus. He could have been more or less based upon a real guy, or he could be a compilation character.…"
"Tracie Harris of The Atheist Experience did a presentation of a lot of the information we've discovered from archaeology, about the pantheon of the Ugaritic people, from which it seems that Yahweh emerged. It was spread over the course of…"
"Well yeah, but lots of atheists enjoy playing around with religious themes and often-ignored details within people's holy books. Hell, contemplating all of the weird stuff in their holy book is what turns a lot of theists into atheists…"
"Seems we understand each other's delayed responses, being similar in that way. With that many long hours under your belt though, it's extra understandable. It sounds pretty rough for you lately.
If email is your preferred method of…"
Seems we understand each other's delayed responses, being similar in that way. With that many long hours under your belt though, it's extra understandable. It sounds pretty rough for you lately.
If email is your preferred method of communication, I understand. You can take your time a little more than with this method. If you want to exchange email, I'd be cool with that. Just let me know. I wouldn't mind a friendly communication every now and then. No pressure or obligation though.
What you say about the meet ups makes a lot of sense and sounds just about right and easiest for me. I went to my first Meetup for a local anime group recently, and it was movie watching in the local library, which suit me perfectly. You had the movie to keep you distracted and entertained, with a little conversation on the side, which was nice. Even got friended by a couple of attendees on FB. So far so good there, and I plan on attending more of those in the future. As for other local groups I joined, none of their planned activities has really grabbed my attention! but I will keep looking for one that suits me.
I wouldn't expect someone to drive a long way just to see little ole me, lol. Likewise, I wouldn't go so far out of my way for someone I barely know. That's kinda crazy and a bit unreasonable. I haven't met any local atheists though at the Meetup I attended some time back, mostly because it was more of a lecture kinda meet, more than a social get together. I have yet to try one of those, but without a clear group activity, it's a little intimidating. Still, I may try to work up the courage to give one a go when I can. I'll never know if I never try, right?
Cool that your writing fiction, and novels at that. Do you mind my asking what kind? Don't have to share details or anything, just a basic overview will do. I dabbled writing some time ago in collaboration with a close friend, science fiction based, and a few songs and poems. I wouldn't call myself particularly talented or prolific in it though, but I did turn out a few decent tries, I think.
You sound a little unfocused, like me, lol. I find it hard to stick to one particular thing. I've tried different avenues of creative things, like drawing (mostly), writing, crafting, and wouldn't mind trying my hand at clay sculpting and sewing sometime. I always wanted to be kind of a jack of all trades in art/craft.
Boone is one of the most liberal (religiously and politically) areas of North Carolina which is one of the reasons I decided to go there ! And yes, we were targeted go make voting not as easy for us liberal college students. The town is actually conservative but pur university is very liberal and full of hippies haha.
I was actually hoping to find an atheist/freethinkers meet group in my area. I'm originally from Northern Minnesota. I have been in Wisconsin for almost 2 years now and I haven't been able to find much of anything. Thanks for the welcome!
I see what you mean about the social aspect of this site. I guess it would be fine for some online chatting here and there, but not so great for meet ups. I joined a local atheist group on meetup the same time I joined this group, and so far have only attended an educational lecture that was very interesting. I have yet to attend one of their more social meet ups. I tend to be a bit of a wallflower, so if I do get around to one of those, it's a fingers crossed and see how it goes type of deal for me.
My dad used to do some mechanical drafting if I recall correctly. You're right, it's not the same thing, but is interesting nonetheless, and entails some amount of skill as well, I wager.
Writing is very interesting. I used to have a friend who was very creative and good with her writing, and we used to collaborate her writing and my drawings. She inspired me to learn how to write a bit myself, though that is not my main interest/skill. If you don't mind my asking, is it fiction or nonfiction? I hear you on the inertia thing, and I understand a stressful job will definitely take some of the wind out of one's sails. I've been thinking of trying to sell some of my art and some crafts online for a while now, but still haven't mustered up the motivation and energy for it yet. Mostly I'm just trying to sort my life right now.
That's cool you're a musician, and that's an impressive list of instruments to have learned. I remember wanting to learn guitar and piano when I was younger, though I never did get around to it. And it is true when they say if you don't use it, you lose it. I also tend to get kinda rusty in drawing if I don't do it for a while, like say a year, and have to relearn a little when I pick it back up again. I'm sure if you really wanted to you could, though electronic composition could certainly be rewarding in it's own right as well.
I grew up in Miami and moved back to Utah in April of last year. (Strange to consider 2013 last year.) Lots of Catholics in Miami, due to the Cuban and Latin in general influence, and I attended an all-girl Catholic school for all 12 years of grade school. I say moved "back" because I was born in SLC, and we moved to Miami when I was 3. But none of my family is originally from Utah. Dad was there on business and got into skiing. I've always lived here at least part-time.
I also ended up viewing paganism and Wicca in particular as being more superstition I didn't need. But it was a good transition out of Christianity for me at the time.
Hi, and thanks for the friendly greeting. It makes it much easier to join a group when it's members extend a warm welcome to new members, especially when they're a little shy, like myself. It's nice to meet you.
I can relate to the voluntary solitary confinement thing. I've been kind of afraid of socializing with people for a little while, cooped up in my home. I want to change that, connect more with like-minded folks, and maybe make a new friend or two with similar interests.
My creative outlets manifest in visual art (mostly), sometimes in written form (poetry, song, story), and rare bits of craftiness. How about you? What creative outlets do you turn to?
Yeah! I don't know it's more of the "oh I'm too good for politics. Omg government man". The only political view anybody has is one and "obama is cool". A lot of people believe that for having one political view, everyone else's is invalid and they don't even want to debate about anything because that means they have to (GOD FORBID) think, or talk to people that may or may not have different views than them. The other day in American Political Process, the teacher says "so who even likes politics" and the entire class raised their hands and said "omg who wants to be involved in the corrupt system run by old white men omg no thanks " like a bunch of damn babies. Granted, I am not THE most politically intensive person ever, in comparison to my siblings who work in DC, but on some level shouldn't everyone be slightly interested in the policies that run our lives? And on that level I do try to read and understand political science, and philosophy as much as I can (although I completely realize that I have a LONG way to go, just as anybody should realize that they are not always accurate in their interpretation of the world, but thats fine! Because there are always people willing to debate that, hopefully.)
Also, I lived in Washington State last year, and there are people like that wherever you go. Luckily, I was able to find friends that shared common interests as me. Being in a new place though, it's hard to find people who actually share that sort of interest in life.