"They are *supposed* to but that doesn't stop them from not doing it.  "

"yes. As mentioned above. that would likely have the rights of a minor. Now of course one could argue that a new legal status should be created: something even less responsible and autonomous than a minor. And i think realistically that's what…"

"(1) Ditto what many folks said above: fetuses are NOT humans, nor is the ethics nor legality of murder is clear cut as you make it out to be. (2) If granted the status of legal personhood, unwanted fetuses are NOT innocent ie, you can't have…"

"Heh, well, first i should reference my comment up above, that confusions might've easily be compounded on confusions by my attempt to address a comment before waiting for clarification :-P ----- "if recognizing access to health care is a…"

"I am confused by why you feel the question is relevant to the conversation or to the specific comment you were responding to. Unless you are simply curious about the OPs thoughts on tangentially related topics, which is of totally fine, just a…"

"And to the OP, regarding your original question: i'd probably be best summed up as a #4, more in the direction Write4U describes above."

"I must admit, I am confused by this line of questioning! There's a questionable leap from recognizing access to health care is a basic human right to  saying the government is obligated to guarantee health care, much less that a…"

""I consider a fetus to be a malignant tumor *UNLESS* The woman wants it to be there." Yes!!! I have always felt very similar: Without the consent of the woman providing life-giving blood/nutrients/antibodies to the fetus, the fetus…"

"Yeah, these conversations can be super frustrating. I used to really put myself out there for public education work -- and i can tell it did help -- but it is exhausting work! The good news is i found that dispelling myths about LGBT people (and…"

"I'm not totally sure if this is what Susan and Write4U mean, and if not i apologize, but perhaps this is the point being missed: Debates don't exist in a vacuum.  The crux of the debate is what rights should be denied many of the…"

"I'm all for devil's advocate arguments, but i just don't see the point of giving airtime to arguments that have flailing inaccuracies. I mean, some folks out there argue "abortions are unethical because they make baby jesus…"

"Atheists, as a general rule, tend to act on evidence and reason. Personally, i support access to safe and legal abortions because i see no compelling evidence or reasons to deny them! Plus i've seen a great deal of evidence that individuals…"

"I know right! For example: Spending 9 months dedicating massive amounts of your body resources to creating a separate entity and then squeezing this rather large being out a rather small body cavity... ...Nope! No possible risk of health…"

"LOL, happy to be of service :-) I do think it is interesting how gods vs magical beings have managed as humanity's understanding of the world has increased. As you noted, gods started off just as concrete as any other magical being, but…"

"LOL, in all fairness to fairies and leprecahns... :-) Seriously though, i think it's worth noting that modern gods vs unicorns/faries have some key differences that make them harder to dismiss. And i suspect these agnostics might be picking up…"

"Point of confusion: So what IS the real, working definition of Agnostisism these days?  When i was growing up, my whole family were labeled "agnostic" because we believe that there is a degree of uncertainty to ALL facts. But now…"