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Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment

Started this discussion. Last reply by Dark Angel Jul 6, 2011. 18 Replies

OK, I am trying to find a good report on this. I have searched the net for months, and you can only find one or the other. You can find information about the so-called "sacrifice" or you can loads…Continue

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Dark Angel replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"good post! not looking for a rational answer. I've heard that story before too. think of the question this way. thousands of people who commit suicide would say they "died for the one they love" No police there. No conviction. No…"
Jul 6, 2011
Dark Angel replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"W ell this was not "unexpected" it was going on for many years. both the jews and the romans were having issues with it. Piliates knew christ was innocent, yet was in a bad position politically. You are correct about the lie, but that is…"
Jul 6, 2011
Dark Angel replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"@natailie hmm ok, that  post is way off target from the OP.   This is incorrect: The Jews did not kill Christ because the Jews could not kill Christ. They did not have legal authority in matters of capital crimes under Roman law at…"
Jul 6, 2011
Dark Angel replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"well that is a nice comparison, but the point is still missed: where is the sacrifice? He was being punished. It doesn't matter if there is a comparison, he was arrested, tried, found guilty and put to death. He did not offer himself - if so he…"
Jul 6, 2011
Natalie A Sera replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"Actually, the Jews didn't give a flying leap about him. Would-be messiahs were a dime a dozen at the time, and there was nothing to distinguish him from any of the others. If the gospels say the Jews wanted him dead, it was because they were…"
Jul 6, 2011
booklover replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"The only thing Jesus had in common with the animal is that they both died.<<<<<<<<<<   And the fact that they were both animals (even if creationists don't believe humans are also animals).  This is all…"
Jul 4, 2011
Nick Pecoraro replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"Christians believe that Jesus died for their sins. The popular Christian belief is that all men are sinners. The wages of sin is death. So all men are condemned to die for their sins. But Christians believed that by dying in place of all men, Jesus…"
Jul 4, 2011
Nick Pecoraro replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"Problems with Jesus' Sacrifice for Sins. Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. but He,…"
Jul 4, 2011
Dr. Terence Meaden left a comment for Dark Angel
"Hi Dark Angel, and welcome to this rational world of Internet atheism---a haven of truth and peace from the superstitions and fictional gods of the masses.  "Well-founded common sense helped by science leads to atheist wisdom." We…"
Jul 2, 2011
Dark Angel replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"@Jim DePaulo Yes but here is food for thought: Again, he could not "absorb the sins" because he was arrested. All of his torment was asked of the jews that the romans carry out. To make an example of him(they could not because of religious…"
Jul 2, 2011
Dark Angel replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"@brian wood Yup I agree, that is someting many of my friends tell about me. ".. you act more like a christian that christians do, so I can't believe you are not" blah! My retort has always been the same - "You do not need to be…"
Jul 2, 2011
Dark Angel replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"@ken State assisted suicide would not apply in this situation for one main reason:  he was commited of a crime, and the punishment for that crime is death. I have been thinking about this, and it would seem to boil down to the same old dumb…"
Jul 2, 2011
Jim DePaulo replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"The "sacrifice for our sins" is a creation of Paul.  The idea that one individual could absorb the sins of humanity has no basis in Jewish theology and would have been seen as extreme hubris ( if you recall Jeebus was a Jew).  It…"
Jun 30, 2011
Brian Wood replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"No one in human history ever did a single thing for anyone else.  I'd dive into a raging torrent to save a kid, not because I give a rat's ass about the kid, but because I'd feel awful if I didn't.  Totally…"
Jun 30, 2011
Ruth Anthony-Gardner left a comment for Dark Angel
"Welcome, Dark Angel! Glad you could join us. :D Please consider joining a group to meet people and talk about anything that's on your mind, Hang With Friends. "
Jun 30, 2011
Ken replied to Dark Angel's discussion Jesus Sacrifice vs Punishment
"Interesting questions and always fun to think about.    Working under the assumption there was an individual that underwent the conflictingly events described in the gospels, at the very least you could categorize this as "state…"
Jun 30, 2011

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At 5:35pm on July 2, 2011, Dr. Terence Meaden said…

Hi Dark Angel, and welcome to this rational world of Internet atheism---a haven of truth and peace from the superstitions and fictional gods of the masses. 

"Well-founded common sense helped by science leads to atheist wisdom."

We invite you to make good friends by joining the busy group "ORIGINS: Universe, Astronomy, Life, Earth, Humans, Religion, Gods, Atheism, Evolution, Darwin..." with 500 discussion topics and 2800 members.

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At 12:46pm on June 30, 2011, Ruth Anthony-Gardner said…

Welcome, Dark Angel! Glad you could join us. :D

Please consider joining a group to meet people and talk about anything that's on your mind, Hang With Friends.

At 7:41am on June 30, 2011, Ken said…
Hello and welcome to the Nexus.  We are certainly glad to have you join us.
 
 
 

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