Agreed Tom, most of the apologetic arguments I've been exposed to typically take the position that we must endure this existence in order to be fit for the paradise that awaits, or they try to conjure up some free-will explanation.
In both…
I think your friend is standing knee-deep in a great steaming pile of hay and grass that's done passed through the male bovine digestive system....and is trying to convince everyone..including himself that it dosen't stink.
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I recently had a interesting dialogue with a Christian in a forum setting in which I reached a conclusion about what I believe to be an apparent contradiction in what most Christians believe about the death of a newborn baby. Here is how it went and how it led to what I think is one of the stronger contradictions I've personally come up with. (although I'm sure others have reached this conclusion before as well)
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