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Comment by Greg LeGore on January 7, 2013 at 7:37pm

Loren, just watched them - most excellent...thank you for sharing the links as I was not aware of them.

Comment by Greg LeGore on January 7, 2013 at 7:15pm

Loren, sorry, I was actually using hyperbole...sorry for the confusion as I enjoyed this thread. Thank you.

Comment by Loren Miller on January 7, 2013 at 6:58pm

Greg, I was referring specifically to the 16 which Joan referred to with this collection.  Obviously, there are many more apologies for the RC church to make, and Hitchens deals with quite a few of them in his Intelligence Squared talk, here and here.

Comment by Greg LeGore on January 7, 2013 at 6:46pm

@Loren: only 16?  In addition to the many general ones, they should include the millions of local apologies for the horrors they have inflicted upon people and the wealth they have plundered and squandered on imaginary friends rather than upon helping those most in need.

Comment by Cheryl Easton on January 7, 2013 at 3:44pm

Just as well we don't exist to make people like us 'cause I certainly don't succeed in the popularity stakes when it comes to "conforming" to established ways. The hassle I have to put up with because I won't just accept thing being so "beause they always have been" and because I dare to think things through and refuse to make knee jerk judgements on sensationalist news items.
I'm sorry that you have had some obvious tough times Joan but glad you have come through with such a great positive attitude.

Comment by Cheryl Easton on January 7, 2013 at 3:25pm

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 1:42pm

Loren Miller, thanks for reminding me of Christopher Hitchens in his Intelligence Squared debate of 2009. It is an outstanding debate and one that warms my soul, if I had one. He scared the bejesus out of me with his confrontational style, and looking back, I realize he was heard and understood by very many people asking the tough questions. Brash? yes! Confrontational? certainly! Sensible? without a doubt! 
We do not exist to make everyone like us; we exist to think, reason, make decisions, take action, and be responsible for our own thinking and acting. 
There is nothing hearing our prayers, no scapegoat to redeem us from our mistakes, no heaven and no hell. 
That is GOOD NEWS. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 1:24pm

Cheryl, I am finally becoming grateful for my personal past memories because I experienced helplessness and hopelessness. When I decided I wanted to live free of family violence I had to step outside my familiar box, take risks, experiment, explore, fail, get up over and over again. 
I am so grateful to be free of fear of speaking up and acting in healthy ways ... some would say "evil" ways. Thinking is so much fun, acting is exciting, and celebrating is as good as it gets. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 7, 2013 at 1:20pm

Cheryl Easton, Hooray! You remember history and can recall it's effects on al life forms on Earth. The great tragedy exists because we do not remember! When one puts trust in an untrustworthy endeavor, they become part of the delusion. Thank you, Cheryl, for your comment, and interpretation. We need such honesty.
Now, the next step, it seems to me, is to "remember" a preferred future and then work toward that vision. Remember past and future, think and act in the present, and life can flourish!

Comment by Loren Miller on January 7, 2013 at 5:07am

Christopher Hitchens in his Intelligence Squared debate of 2009 referred to a number of apologies which the church should be obliged to make for wrongdoings over its existence.  I count 16 more to add to Hitch's list.

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