Apostate Atheists

A group for brave atheists who have said NO and rejected; Atheists who have publicly renounced and criticised their religions.


 


 

  • Steph S.

    Thanks so much for inviting me! Looks like a wonderful group!
  • Joan Denoo

    Thank you for the invitation. I agree that Islam is a dangerous religion and I have read parts of the Koran, but not all. What can you tell me about the Golden Age of Islam, and when/if they welcomed knowledge from any and all sources? 

    Neil DeGrasse Tyson - The Islamic Golden Age: Naming Rights

     

     

  • Loren Miller

    Organized irrationality of ANY sort should be at least suspect, because that opens Pandora's Box.  It permits OTHER irrationalities to show themselves and have an influence on the culture that surrounds it.  I still think that individual irrationality is inevitable and, by and large, harmless.  However, when you have a large group of people indulging in irrational belief and behavior, THEN looking to promote, promulgate and proselytize that behavior on the grounds that EVERYONE must believe as they believe, the line has been crossed.

  • James M. Martin

    Whose Caliphate did Mansur al-Hallaj live under?

  • James M. Martin

    I want to know more about that period in Spanish history when all three monotheistic religions existed peacefully side by side.  Then I want to go back to the Alhambra by time machine.

  • James M. Martin

    I am also a great fan of Sufi folk tales, e.g. those of the Mullah Nasrudin.  Very, very funny stories.

  • James M. Martin

    What is the status of Sufism in a country like Iran?

  • James M. Martin

    The late Luis Bunuel would have loved the Nasrudin stories.  They are surreal.

  • Loren Miller

    Probably not much different from the status of Baha'i, which is denigrated, attacked and condemned in Iran, and has been practically since its inception.

  • James M. Martin

    I've always said that religions who most actively attack other religions and so-called spiritual movements are the ones most likely to doubt their own.

  • James M. Martin

    Well, I like Sufism.

  • James M. Martin

    Robert Anton Wilson said all Sufis are "clowns."  He must have had Nasrudin in mind.  Nasrudin went to the bank and asked to withdraw funds; when asked for some identification, he took out his I.D. card, looked at it, and put it back into his pocket.  "Yep. That's me."

    Of the one where a rich neighbor's servant answered the door and Nasrudin asked, "I'm collecting for charity, is the master home?"  The servant said, no sir.  Nasrudin said, "Then you better take his portrait out of the upstairs window."

  • Nayr Namel

    Eh i just hope there isn't another satanic panic from any theistic religions. For me that would be a pain in my ass, if i get in the Marines and start my life it won't be as much a pain but it'll still be a noticeable annoyance. Only reason i bring it up is the upcoming election, I think that if Romney gets elected there will be a higher morale for the mormon religion and i tend to worry a little when religious morale is high especially in an already powerful religion because thats when religious bias, persecutions, and signs of growing tensions tend to be more socially acceptable and sometimes rewarded socially of course. Although i doubt the election alone could start this higher degree of religious morale i think it does set a stage that would raise the possibility of such an event to happen (like bring back importance in what is and isn't the politically right way to act based on what is the religiously right way to act). Does anyone feel the same? or have we progressed so much it just wouldn't happen now
  • James M. Martin

    @ryan.  Don't worry, they have so marignalized the pagan faiths, including Luciferianism, that none of the evangelical theocrats is going to round them up and build a fire of faggot kindling.  No, it is the non-believers who will be victimized this time around.  We will be blamed for 9/11 and all manner of unfortunate events because the pols are dumbing down the electorate; one version of the GOP platform even includes a push to rid schools of "critical thinking" curricula.  That way, you can blame 9/11 on the non-believers "because" they represent just the sort of thing that would give the U.S. a bad press in places like Riyadh, Tehran, and other places, apostacy being the very worst of all possible crimes wherever Shariah prevails.

  • James M. Martin

    Hegel was channeling Santayana.

  • James M. Martin

    Nope.  In quantum theoretical space-time they both existed at exactly the same time.

  • Nayr Namel

    Well im Laveyan which is an atheist religion (we don't believe in any super natural deity) so when specificly atheist get slammed we tend to take a lesser hit from those who are smart enough in there research to understand that we are atheist. But even than if they don't know we are atheist than we are heretics so ether way we are hit with the only buffer to the young actual Laveyans who people think they are just rebelling (hence why i said "actual" because alot of morons get involved in the religion just to rebel which is annoying). So yah sadly when atheist suffer from popularized stupidity i suffer to, more or less depending on how specific there target is and even if its strictly specificly aimed at atheist we just get hit by the smarter religious individual but in most cases its not that specific to where we won't still be hit by apparently being direct evil "goooo satan" heretics.
  • Irrelevant People

    http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/new-atheists hey I agree and I love your group.You might also like my group in the link above.

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    I got this from Atheist Humor. Thought it fit here too.

  • Loren Miller

    The look on that kid's face says it all!  "Man, what is up with all this kneeling shit?"

  • James M. Martin

    @Love & Science Diet, let's hope so, even though old Fred Nietzsche said hope was the worst of the homily grits.

  • AgeOfAtheists14

    @james haaaaa indeed.. catharsis w/o knives or guns is best

  • James M. Martin

    The expression on his face and his self-effacing gesture give him away as a complete phony and hypocrite.  All of them are.  They are trying to manipulate their portfolios with regard to oil interests, and you should see their porno collections.  They are preying on millions of delusional people who think Allah spoke to Mohammed in Old Testiment language and ideas, the Koran being more political than sacred.  Some Americans might secretly wish that a drone wold rid the earth of Mulla Numbnuts we see here.

  • Pat

    James, I'm an American and I have the wish. The thing is, my wish isn't secret.

    Mankind will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Denis Diederot.

  • James M. Martin

    Denis Diederot edited the first encyclopedia for the Age of Enlighenment, so he had to have based this opinion on experience, Pat.  As you know, during the Reign of Terror, the first to be taken to the National Razor for the parting of heads from bodies were RCC priests.  The masses realized Rome was in on the game, empowering imperialism and serfdom.

  • Joan Denoo

    As so often happens in intelligent discussions, I had to turn to the dictionary to know of what you write.

    Apostate: 

    1 a person who abandons a cause or organization usually without right <an apostate from communism, he later became one of its harshest critics>

    2 one who betrays a trust or an allegiance <became anapostate to liberalism after he had gotten wealthy>

    Well, if losing confidence in politics and religion, and economics is apostolic, I plead guilty, stand proud and confident that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stands as a higher aspiration. I cannot pledge allegiance to a government that found ways to snoop in citizens' private affairs and imprison some without access to processes of law, to religions that placates voters to vote against their self-interests, and to economics that uses both politics and religion to suck assets out of those who work for wages. 

  • James M. Martin

    Careful with "apostolic," Joan, as I think that refers to something else, something we find anathema.

  • Joan Denoo

    James, I know apostolic is a word that generates negative connotations, and I know that when I looked it up I was very surprised about the definition. Apostolic Atheist doesn't fit the dictionary, but it fits how I feel. 

    Another word that fits for me is heretic:

    1: a dissenter from established religious dogma; especially : a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who disavows a revealed truth

    2: one who dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine 
  • Joan Denoo

    VikingDon, Oh! would that be true! Sweet revenge! I am having a bit of problem getting that image out of my mind. 

  • James M. Martin

    Viking Don, the 72 virgins did not become livestock, though your image is much more imaginative; it was a rare type of raisin, as I recall.  It has been a while since I read Sam Harris's End of Faith, but the virgins-raisins mistranslation error was in a footnote in that book.  It has cognate to the evangelical notion of the Rapture: it is based entirely on a book in their bable by John of Patmos whose coded warning was of Nero Caesar, not anything yet to come.  Both Christians and Muslims turn out to be fooled.  There is no apocalypse short of one we make.  There is no god but Man.

  • James M. Martin

    Well, how much time would it take to go through 72 virgins if you were horny and in heaven?

  • James M. Martin

    Oh, and, duh!  Since when do we hand off our "virgins" to be deflowered by who knows whom?  The thought of it suggests pedophilia and worse. 

  • James M. Martin

    It suggests MuhaMAD had a dirty, evil mind.

  • Pat

    I like the late Christopher Hitchen's take on the whole "72 virgins" thing. Be careful what you wish for, because part of the package is 72 mothers-in-law.

  • James M. Martin

    Pat, I think Sam Harris had it first, if only in a footnote.

  • James M. Martin

    Wow.  That makes me proud of American family law.  Then, again, who knows; in some states I would think there's no prohibition of marrying at six, but only with parental permission. I gather most Muslim marriages are arranged?

  • James M. Martin

    Ah, OK, Joan.  I get it I think.  I forget, are you a recovering Catholic?

  • Brian Edward Croner

    My question: how far off is a woman's will to marry from the financial benefit seen by her parents? Women in America are incapable of loving a man for anything other than his money. Money is the only thing that's not negotiable. So if the woman's parents always chose the rich guy, and an American woman by her own will always chooses the rich guy, how fundamentally different are we than the oppressive Hindu and Muslim societies when everything is boiled down?

  • James M. Martin

    Oh, lordy, ms Kalliope, that stuff sounds positively medieval.  That is what we are experiencing all over the globe today, a kind of selfish medieval thing; might as well call the New Feudalism.  This is the America envisioned by the 2% who use religious dogma in a Senecan manner (cynical?), proscribing birth control and attacking organizations that further the cause of poor peoples' rights to their own bodies. I feel sorry for women born in such countries: they start at the bottom of the totem pole and are given the freedom to nothing from birth until death.  In such hopelessness, I would take hemlock and be done with it.

  • Loren Miller

    Brian, your generalization about American women has at least one exception that I know of: my wife.  She has remained as devoted and interested in me while I have been unemployed as I was when I made high-five-figures a year, perhaps more so.  Indeed, I could name several other women I have known whose attitudes are remarkably similar.  If the women you are hanging with are only interested in your wallet, You're Hanging With The WRONG WOMEN!!!

  • Joan Denoo

    James, I, personally am not a recovering catholic, but I do descend  from a mixture of Puritan stock from 1632, Roman Catholic who emigrated about 1900, a Free Methodist, and a Presbyterian. Though my parents were not active church goers, they still held on to the old beliefs about women and children, and the responsibility of man to have control over them. Obedience was a high value, as was very hard work. The net result was the usual dysfunction in families who came through the Great Depression and WW II moving out of the old traditions but not yet ready to take on such heresies as a woman capable of thinking for her own benefit, and that women and children who would not submit to patriarchy were not worth their salt. 

  • James M. Martin

    As someone famous once said, I am a protestant, too, in the sense that I protest.

  • Joan Denoo

    I guess those ideas could spread to this country. If the beauty and intelligence of the Golden Age of Islam could be so terribly annihilated, it could happen any where.
    Surely there were protesters when the changes occurred, but religious faith was so strong, it crushed any resistance.
  • Loren Miller

    There are places in the US where that is already happening, Joan.  Witness the reception Bill Nye got in Waco, Texas when he asserted that the moon is not a light source, but reflects light energy from the sun.  There's also the matter of ID / creationism being approved for teaching in Tennessee and Louisiana.

    These idiots are convinced that running their country on the bible is the right thing to do, and given enough traction, they will do just that ... and therewith turn the US into another Saudi Arabia.

  • James M. Martin

    Thanks, Loren.  If ID is true, and God is perfect and created us in his image, why do I have a prostate gland that wraps around my urethra and, nearing 70, I have EPS, such that while the gland swells it cuts off my flow.  I go the men's room all day at, about, 45-minute intervals.  What is intelligent about THAT?!  There is no god but Man.

  • Sentient Biped

    James, in your apostasy, you forget god's wisdom as well as his wrath.  The more you sin, the larger your prostate grows.  It's kind of like Pinnochio's nose.  It's somewhere in Deuteronomy.  At my current rate of sin, when I'm 70 my prostate will be the size of Rhode Island.  

  • Joan Denoo

    Loren, this is just simply outrageous! Deliberate ignorance and not even ashamed of themselves. What is the matter with their religious leaders? Are they some hick who couldn't make it in the real adult world and so took up religion to food on his table and a roof over his head. Well, he had better grow up because the world doesn't need eternal children. Thanks Loren, I am reposting
  • Loren Miller

    It's pretty clear to me, Joan, that it is more important to these people to be right with their deity than it is to be intelligent and/or informed.  Of course, their church leaders LIKE them this way, because it's all the easier to lead them around by the nose and swallow any insane BS they tell them.

  • Joan Denoo

    http://www.examiner.com/article/reporter-of-bill-nye-moonbat-story-...
    It seems I have clarification to make; I am grateful to Laura for pointing out this old exaggerated story with new wings.
    In 2006, Bill Nye "The Science Guy" gave a speech in Waco, TX in which he "recited a Bible verse, Genesis 1:16, “God made two great lights - the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars," then Nye pointed out that the moon, actually, was a reflector.”
    "in a crowd of 600 people, a few walked out, and were obviously upset, but most were receptive.”
    “For Skeptics, it's not just an example of this kind of conditioning that allows people to close themselves off from any contrary evidence to their views, no matter how obvious and common sensical, but how, in the Internet age, stories take on a life of their own and are more likely to catch fire because they are cast in their most sensationalistic light."
    ~ Dylan Otto Krider

    To my readers, I will do a better job of checking background and let the old stories die.
  • Joan Denoo