ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

Do we really understand?

Do we really understand that this portal is occupied by personalities like you and me who can grasp the simplest of scientific views as they are intended to be?When someone asks me "why are there still apes" what I feel is not anymore sympathy, but anger in my mind towards their parents who wanted them to be morons!  We are here because we really want to make some change in the positive direction! And we are 7 of us online now! out of the 7 billion we are 7 online! Singular times 7! My wife left me because I do not believe is BS! I am cool with that! I am sure I will be more an asset to this world than any nother holy book preacher!

Why are we not a unanimously technological civilization yet when it is quite true that the theists enjoy most of the advancements that we atheists achieved!

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    Joan Denoo

    In the short term, failure of a marriage can be painful; in the long term, no marriage or no relationship is worth having if you have to silence your understanding of how the world works. I find being at family gatherings with people who express their beliefs while denying me my beliefs isn't worth the time and aggravation. People don't like me saying this, but according to World Population Clock, the World Population is 7,045,863,838 as of Oct 15, 2012. There is no reason to limit oneself to a narrow group of people, whether family or friend. After all, we all are part of the same family, whether from Africa, Europe, Asia, or the Americas. 

    Religion is learned, it is not innate. The need for community is innate. So build your community as you would build your home, on solid foundations and according to healthy and health affirming principles. The purpose of an individual is to flourish; the purpose of a community is to empower flourishing; the purpose of government should be to provide protection so people can flourish without coercion or submission to any one or any religion. 

    One of my pet peeves is the group who think they are doing good when they go to people who are starving and homeless and give them food, shelter, medicines and clothes. So many times I hear people say, with a bit of superior attitude, how many bowls of soup or how many shelters they built, or how many medicines they delivered. Why are they not pounding down the doors of religious and political leaders and demanding opportunity for all? We take away job opportunity by finding cheaper labor sources or inventing machines to replace humans and then wonder why there are so many jobless people in the world. We tell people to submit to church and government even as those institutions put into place the rules and regulations that maintain and perpetuate poverty and exploit them.  

    Capitalism cannot work without a poverty class. It has to have a larger group of people who want jobs than there are jobs. That is easy to do by taxation policies and limiting access to education and preventing labor organization. Just look at what is happening now -- Working class people can't afford to pay for education of their children, whether trades, crafts or professions. It is very difficult to organize labor because of all the stigma attached to the poor who organize. First of all, organizers are called "Commies" or "Pinkos", as if that were some dread disease or major crime. McCarthyism did it's work and it still resides in our working poor. 


    Why are churches and those religious not going to the source of poverty? Why are they not joining together in a supportive environment to join with those who are poor to secure opportunity for flourishing? Where is Paulo Freire when we need him? or Cesar Chavez? 

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      Maurice Velandia

      I sympathize with your situation,  it is not easy to be at odds with ones family's beliefs.

       

      I have noted that at atheistnexus there seems to be a strong positions along these lines:

       

      "It is so obvious that reality is just as we perceive it, and that science is the most obvious way to move the human race forward.  How can the rest of the world believe in something else? The really should open their eyes!"

       

      I, however, believe that each person has the right to believe whatever brings the most meaning to their life.  Unfortunately some of those beliefs are self defeating, or downright dangerious to the entire human race.  IMHO we need to be patient (and I mean for centuries), natural selection will eventually sort out the most beneficial course for society and beliefs.

       

      In the meantime, I trully believe in coexisting - live and let live. 

       

      As far as "theists enjoy most of the advancements that we atheists achieved" - I couldn't disagree more.  We stand on the shoulders of giants.   And they are millions of shoulders streching back millions of years, some meek, some murderous.   ...more on this later :)

       

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        Ruth Anthony-Gardner

        "Why are we not a unanimously technological civilization yet?" Personally I think we need to become that, to all be connected, in order to switch from a destructive overpopulated fossil-fuel "growth" economy to a sustainable economy in balance with our planet. Without global justice and universal participation, we'll lose habitability in a few centuries. I'd like to see the sequestered wealth of the 1% in tax havens confiscated for a massive program to bring everyone together, through technology.

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