The expression on his face and his self-effacing gesture give him away as a complete phony and hypocrite. All of them are. They are trying to manipulate their portfolios with regard to oil interests, and you should see their porno collections. They are preying on millions of delusional people who think Allah spoke to Mohammed in Old Testiment language and ideas, the Koran being more political than sacred. Some Americans might secretly wish that a drone wold rid the earth of Mulla Numbnuts we see here.
Sayed, it is most unfortunate that by giving them a quick exit from this horrible, evil world, and escape from the clutches of the great satans in Europe and the U.S., we provide them with three huge nails, a telephone pole, and a big hammer. It's like treating a masochist with kindness.
Denis Diederot edited the first encyclopedia for the Age of Enlighenment, so he had to have based this opinion on experience, Pat. As you know, during the Reign of Terror, the first to be taken to the National Razor for the parting of heads from bodies were RCC priests. The masses realized Rome was in on the game, empowering imperialism and serfdom.
As so often happens in intelligent discussions, I had to turn to the dictionary to know of what you write.
Apostate:
1 a person who abandons a cause or organization usually without right <an apostate from communism, he later became one of its harshest critics>
2 one who betrays a trust or an allegiance <became anapostate to liberalism after he had gotten wealthy>
Well, if losing confidence in politics and religion, and economics is apostolic, I plead guilty, stand proud and confident that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stands as a higher aspiration. I cannot pledge allegiance to a government that found ways to snoop in citizens' private affairs and imprison some without access to processes of law, to religions that placates voters to vote against their self-interests, and to economics that uses both politics and religion to suck assets out of those who work for wages.
James, I know apostolic is a word that generates negative connotations, and I know that when I looked it up I was very surprised about the definition. Apostolic Atheist doesn't fit the dictionary, but it fits how I feel.
Another word that fits for me is heretic:
1: a dissenter from established religious dogma; especially: a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who disavows a revealed truth
2: one who dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine
Viking Don, the 72 virgins did not become livestock, though your image is much more imaginative; it was a rare type of raisin, as I recall. It has been a while since I read Sam Harris's End of Faith, but the virgins-raisins mistranslation error was in a footnote in that book. It has cognate to the evangelical notion of the Rapture: it is based entirely on a book in their bable by John of Patmos whose coded warning was of Nero Caesar, not anything yet to come. Both Christians and Muslims turn out to be fooled. There is no apocalypse short of one we make. There is no god but Man.
I like the late Christopher Hitchen's take on the whole "72 virgins" thing. Be careful what you wish for, because part of the package is 72 mothers-in-law.
Wow. That makes me proud of American family law. Then, again, who knows; in some states I would think there's no prohibition of marrying at six, but only with parental permission. I gather most Muslim marriages are arranged?
My question: how far off is a woman's will to marry from the financial benefit seen by her parents? Women in America are incapable of loving a man for anything other than his money. Money is the only thing that's not negotiable. So if the woman's parents always chose the rich guy, and an American woman by her own will always chooses the rich guy, how fundamentally different are we than the oppressive Hindu and Muslim societies when everything is boiled down?
Oh, lordy, ms Kalliope, that stuff sounds positively medieval. That is what we are experiencing all over the globe today, a kind of selfish medieval thing; might as well call the New Feudalism. This is the America envisioned by the 2% who use religious dogma in a Senecan manner (cynical?), proscribing birth control and attacking organizations that further the cause of poor peoples' rights to their own bodies. I feel sorry for women born in such countries: they start at the bottom of the totem pole and are given the freedom to nothing from birth until death. In such hopelessness, I would take hemlock and be done with it.
Brian, your generalization about American women has at least one exception that I know of: my wife. She has remained as devoted and interested in me while I have been unemployed as I was when I made high-five-figures a year, perhaps more so. Indeed, I could name several other women I have known whose attitudes are remarkably similar. If the women you are hanging with are only interested in your wallet, You're Hanging With The WRONG WOMEN!!!
James, I, personally am not a recovering catholic, but I do descend from a mixture of Puritan stock from 1632, Roman Catholic who emigrated about 1900, a Free Methodist, and a Presbyterian. Though my parents were not active church goers, they still held on to the old beliefs about women and children, and the responsibility of man to have control over them. Obedience was a high value, as was very hard work. The net result was the usual dysfunction in families who came through the Great Depression and WW II moving out of the old traditions but not yet ready to take on such heresies as a woman capable of thinking for her own benefit, and that women and children who would not submit to patriarchy were not worth their salt.
Apostate: A person who has given up their religion or left a political party. (Cambridge Dictionary)
I have intentionally chosen this name for the group because it is the closest translation for ‘Murtad’ which means ‘anyone who leaves Islam’. Islam estates that Murtads are traitors and they must be killed immediately. This term (apostate) has been chosen to break the taboo of leaving Islam or any other religions.
I guess those ideas could spread to this country. If the beauty and intelligence of the Golden Age of Islam could be so terribly annihilated, it could happen any where.
Surely there were protesters when the changes occurred, but religious faith was so strong, it crushed any resistance.
There are places in the US where that is already happening, Joan. Witness the reception Bill Nye got in Waco, Texas when he asserted that the moon is not a light source, but reflects light energy from the sun. There's also the matter of ID / creationism being approved for teaching in Tennessee and Louisiana.
These idiots are convinced that running their country on the bible is the right thing to do, and given enough traction, they will do just that ... and therewith turn the US into another Saudi Arabia.
Thanks, Loren. If ID is true, and God is perfect and created us in his image, why do I have a prostate gland that wraps around my urethra and, nearing 70, I have EPS, such that while the gland swells it cuts off my flow. I go the men's room all day at, about, 45-minute intervals. What is intelligent about THAT?! There is no god but Man.
James, in your apostasy, you forget god's wisdom as well as his wrath. The more you sin, the larger your prostate grows. It's kind of like Pinnochio's nose. It's somewhere in Deuteronomy. At my current rate of sin, when I'm 70 my prostate will be the size of Rhode Island.
Loren, this is just simply outrageous! Deliberate ignorance and not even ashamed of themselves. What is the matter with their religious leaders? Are they some hick who couldn't make it in the real adult world and so took up religion to food on his table and a roof over his head. Well, he had better grow up because the world doesn't need eternal children. Thanks Loren, I am reposting
It's pretty clear to me, Joan, that it is more important to these people to be right with their deity than it is to be intelligent and/or informed. Of course, their church leaders LIKE them this way, because it's all the easier to lead them around by the nose and swallow any insane BS they tell them.
http://www.examiner.com/article/reporter-of-bill-nye-moonbat-story-...
It seems I have clarification to make; I am grateful to Laura for pointing out this old exaggerated story with new wings.
In 2006, Bill Nye "The Science Guy" gave a speech in Waco, TX in which he "recited a Bible verse, Genesis 1:16, “God made two great lights - the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars," then Nye pointed out that the moon, actually, was a reflector.”
"in a crowd of 600 people, a few walked out, and were obviously upset, but most were receptive.”
“For Skeptics, it's not just an example of this kind of conditioning that allows people to close themselves off from any contrary evidence to their views, no matter how obvious and common sensical, but how, in the Internet age, stories take on a life of their own and are more likely to catch fire because they are cast in their most sensationalistic light."
~ Dylan Otto Krider
To my readers, I will do a better job of checking background and let the old stories die.
Well, you see, when one mullah is making all the decisions you have the equivalent of a plebiscite legislative body that is bored out of its skull simply by showing up and pretending to make law. The Grand Mullah (I almost wrote Moolah) makes all the decisions, so these geeks sit and listen to the most boring conversations imaginable: bla bla bla from cypher people who have no power to do anything. That's as it should be since your country is still living in the 8th century.
Sayed, I am aware that Ali Khamenei is the dictator and the others are yes men. They are very wealthy though the majority of Iranians are struggling to survive. This nation is the poster boy for what becomes of a country without any separation between church and state.
What may be worse, James, is that they may also become the poster boy for what happens when 8th century thinking is combined with 21st century technology. Oh, sure, they know what they have and what they're playing with. I DON'T think they fully recognize how the rest of the world will react to them if they should be so stupid as to attempt to deploy a nuclear weapon.
Ruth Anthony-Gardner
I got this from Atheist Humor. Thought it fit here too.
Oct 2, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
Oct 3, 2012
Loren Miller
The look on that kid's face says it all! "Man, what is up with all this kneeling shit?"
Oct 3, 2012
James M. Martin
@Love & Science Diet, let's hope so, even though old Fred Nietzsche said hope was the worst of the homily grits.
Oct 14, 2012
Secular Forces 2013
@james haaaaa indeed.. catharsis w/o knives or guns is best
Oct 16, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
Click here to help fulfill Malala's dream!
Oct 19, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
The Mulla who's standing is Iran's Head of Judiciary, he has signed hundreds of death sentences.
Nov 23, 2012
James M. Martin
The expression on his face and his self-effacing gesture give him away as a complete phony and hypocrite. All of them are. They are trying to manipulate their portfolios with regard to oil interests, and you should see their porno collections. They are preying on millions of delusional people who think Allah spoke to Mohammed in Old Testiment language and ideas, the Koran being more political than sacred. Some Americans might secretly wish that a drone wold rid the earth of Mulla Numbnuts we see here.
Nov 23, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
@james, How beautifully and concisely you described that moment and also behind the scenes.
Yeah, one day a drone will send all of them to Paradise.
Nov 23, 2012
Pat
James, I'm an American and I have the wish. The thing is, my wish isn't secret.
Mankind will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Denis Diederot.
Nov 23, 2012
James M. Martin
Sayed, it is most unfortunate that by giving them a quick exit from this horrible, evil world, and escape from the clutches of the great satans in Europe and the U.S., we provide them with three huge nails, a telephone pole, and a big hammer. It's like treating a masochist with kindness.
Nov 23, 2012
James M. Martin
Denis Diederot edited the first encyclopedia for the Age of Enlighenment, so he had to have based this opinion on experience, Pat. As you know, during the Reign of Terror, the first to be taken to the National Razor for the parting of heads from bodies were RCC priests. The masses realized Rome was in on the game, empowering imperialism and serfdom.
Nov 23, 2012
Joan Denoo
As so often happens in intelligent discussions, I had to turn to the dictionary to know of what you write.
Apostate:
1 a person who abandons a cause or organization usually without right <an apostate from communism, he later became one of its harshest critics>
2 one who betrays a trust or an allegiance <became anapostate to liberalism after he had gotten wealthy>
Well, if losing confidence in politics and religion, and economics is apostolic, I plead guilty, stand proud and confident that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stands as a higher aspiration. I cannot pledge allegiance to a government that found ways to snoop in citizens' private affairs and imprison some without access to processes of law, to religions that placates voters to vote against their self-interests, and to economics that uses both politics and religion to suck assets out of those who work for wages.
Nov 23, 2012
James M. Martin
Careful with "apostolic," Joan, as I think that refers to something else, something we find anathema.
Nov 23, 2012
Joan Denoo
James, I know apostolic is a word that generates negative connotations, and I know that when I looked it up I was very surprised about the definition. Apostolic Atheist doesn't fit the dictionary, but it fits how I feel.
Another word that fits for me is heretic:
1: a dissenter from established religious dogma; especially : a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who disavows a revealed truth
Nov 24, 2012
Joan Denoo
VikingDon, Oh! would that be true! Sweet revenge! I am having a bit of problem getting that image out of my mind.
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
Viking Don, the 72 virgins did not become livestock, though your image is much more imaginative; it was a rare type of raisin, as I recall. It has been a while since I read Sam Harris's End of Faith, but the virgins-raisins mistranslation error was in a footnote in that book. It has cognate to the evangelical notion of the Rapture: it is based entirely on a book in their bable by John of Patmos whose coded warning was of Nero Caesar, not anything yet to come. Both Christians and Muslims turn out to be fooled. There is no apocalypse short of one we make. There is no god but Man.
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
Well, how much time would it take to go through 72 virgins if you were horny and in heaven?
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
Oh, and, duh! Since when do we hand off our "virgins" to be deflowered by who knows whom? The thought of it suggests pedophilia and worse.
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
It suggests MuhaMAD had a dirty, evil mind.
Nov 24, 2012
Pat
I like the late Christopher Hitchen's take on the whole "72 virgins" thing. Be careful what you wish for, because part of the package is 72 mothers-in-law.
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
Pat, I think Sam Harris had it first, if only in a footnote.
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
Wow. That makes me proud of American family law. Then, again, who knows; in some states I would think there's no prohibition of marrying at six, but only with parental permission. I gather most Muslim marriages are arranged?
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
Ah, OK, Joan. I get it I think. I forget, are you a recovering Catholic?
Nov 24, 2012
Brian Edward Croner
My question: how far off is a woman's will to marry from the financial benefit seen by her parents? Women in America are incapable of loving a man for anything other than his money. Money is the only thing that's not negotiable. So if the woman's parents always chose the rich guy, and an American woman by her own will always chooses the rich guy, how fundamentally different are we than the oppressive Hindu and Muslim societies when everything is boiled down?
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
Oh, lordy, ms Kalliope, that stuff sounds positively medieval. That is what we are experiencing all over the globe today, a kind of selfish medieval thing; might as well call the New Feudalism. This is the America envisioned by the 2% who use religious dogma in a Senecan manner (cynical?), proscribing birth control and attacking organizations that further the cause of poor peoples' rights to their own bodies. I feel sorry for women born in such countries: they start at the bottom of the totem pole and are given the freedom to nothing from birth until death. In such hopelessness, I would take hemlock and be done with it.
Nov 24, 2012
Loren Miller
Brian, your generalization about American women has at least one exception that I know of: my wife. She has remained as devoted and interested in me while I have been unemployed as I was when I made high-five-figures a year, perhaps more so. Indeed, I could name several other women I have known whose attitudes are remarkably similar. If the women you are hanging with are only interested in your wallet, You're Hanging With The WRONG WOMEN!!!
Nov 24, 2012
Joan Denoo
James, I, personally am not a recovering catholic, but I do descend from a mixture of Puritan stock from 1632, Roman Catholic who emigrated about 1900, a Free Methodist, and a Presbyterian. Though my parents were not active church goers, they still held on to the old beliefs about women and children, and the responsibility of man to have control over them. Obedience was a high value, as was very hard work. The net result was the usual dysfunction in families who came through the Great Depression and WW II moving out of the old traditions but not yet ready to take on such heresies as a woman capable of thinking for her own benefit, and that women and children who would not submit to patriarchy were not worth their salt.
Nov 24, 2012
James M. Martin
As someone famous once said, I am a protestant, too, in the sense that I protest.
Nov 25, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
Why apostate?
Apostate: A person who has given up their religion or left a political party. (Cambridge Dictionary)
I have intentionally chosen this name for the group because it is the closest translation for ‘Murtad’ which means ‘anyone who leaves Islam’. Islam estates that Murtads are traitors and they must be killed immediately. This term (apostate) has been chosen to break the taboo of leaving Islam or any other religions.
Nov 25, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
Dec 13, 2012
Joan Denoo
Surely there were protesters when the changes occurred, but religious faith was so strong, it crushed any resistance.
Dec 14, 2012
Loren Miller
There are places in the US where that is already happening, Joan. Witness the reception Bill Nye got in Waco, Texas when he asserted that the moon is not a light source, but reflects light energy from the sun. There's also the matter of ID / creationism being approved for teaching in Tennessee and Louisiana.
These idiots are convinced that running their country on the bible is the right thing to do, and given enough traction, they will do just that ... and therewith turn the US into another Saudi Arabia.
Dec 14, 2012
James M. Martin
Thanks, Loren. If ID is true, and God is perfect and created us in his image, why do I have a prostate gland that wraps around my urethra and, nearing 70, I have EPS, such that while the gland swells it cuts off my flow. I go the men's room all day at, about, 45-minute intervals. What is intelligent about THAT?! There is no god but Man.
Dec 14, 2012
Sentient Biped
James, in your apostasy, you forget god's wisdom as well as his wrath. The more you sin, the larger your prostate grows. It's kind of like Pinnochio's nose. It's somewhere in Deuteronomy. At my current rate of sin, when I'm 70 my prostate will be the size of Rhode Island.
Dec 14, 2012
Joan Denoo
Dec 16, 2012
Loren Miller
It's pretty clear to me, Joan, that it is more important to these people to be right with their deity than it is to be intelligent and/or informed. Of course, their church leaders LIKE them this way, because it's all the easier to lead them around by the nose and swallow any insane BS they tell them.
Dec 16, 2012
Joan Denoo
It seems I have clarification to make; I am grateful to Laura for pointing out this old exaggerated story with new wings.
In 2006, Bill Nye "The Science Guy" gave a speech in Waco, TX in which he "recited a Bible verse, Genesis 1:16, “God made two great lights - the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars," then Nye pointed out that the moon, actually, was a reflector.”
"in a crowd of 600 people, a few walked out, and were obviously upset, but most were receptive.”
“For Skeptics, it's not just an example of this kind of conditioning that allows people to close themselves off from any contrary evidence to their views, no matter how obvious and common sensical, but how, in the Internet age, stories take on a life of their own and are more likely to catch fire because they are cast in their most sensationalistic light."
~ Dylan Otto Krider
To my readers, I will do a better job of checking background and let the old stories die.
Dec 16, 2012
Joan Denoo
http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/apostate
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/thepangeablog/2012/05/07/bill-nye-bood...
http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1982180%3ABlogPos...
http://www.examiner.com/article/memekiller-makes-a-meme-with-waco-m...
http://www.examiner.com/article/reporter-of-bill-nye-moonbat-story-...
Dec 16, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
Dec 29, 2012
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
Jan 7
Idaho Spud
Thanks Sayed. I like that thought about Alan Turing, the gay atheist.
I also think it was horrible what they did to him.
Jan 7
Joan Denoo
The Strange Life and Death of Dr Turing - Part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyusnGbBSHE
The Strange Life and Death of Dr Turing - Part 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHFzNMgWzw
Jan 7
Sentient Biped
Shouldn't the religious avoid technology that emanates from godless homosexuals? It might be part of the Gay Agenda©.
Jan 7
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
Feb 28
James M. Martin
Well, you see, when one mullah is making all the decisions you have the equivalent of a plebiscite legislative body that is bored out of its skull simply by showing up and pretending to make law. The Grand Mullah (I almost wrote Moolah) makes all the decisions, so these geeks sit and listen to the most boring conversations imaginable: bla bla bla from cypher people who have no power to do anything. That's as it should be since your country is still living in the 8th century.
Feb 28
Sayed Iman Rafizadeh
@James, you're well-aware of Iran's systematic theocratic dictatorship
Mar 1
Mordekhai ben-Yosef
I see they're also into gerontocracy as well. And most of their population is young, very young.
Mar 1
James M. Martin
Sayed, I am aware that Ali Khamenei is the dictator and the others are yes men. They are very wealthy though the majority of Iranians are struggling to survive. This nation is the poster boy for what becomes of a country without any separation between church and state.
Mar 1
Loren Miller
What may be worse, James, is that they may also become the poster boy for what happens when 8th century thinking is combined with 21st century technology. Oh, sure, they know what they have and what they're playing with. I DON'T think they fully recognize how the rest of the world will react to them if they should be so stupid as to attempt to deploy a nuclear weapon.
Mar 1