American Atheists Assert Right To Blaspheme~ Oct 6-7 Kansas City~

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    Glen Rosenberg

    JC, I agree that motivation matters. Opposing the hands of tyranny is a legit motivation. Islam is indeed barbaric-no hyperbole. Gratuitous hate speech is not legit.  Some of the believers feeling offended is a necessary consequence of onward atheist soldiers. Lets improve civilization.

    I know, one person's hate speech is another's paean. But it aint so.

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      Glen Rosenberg

      JC, interesting that you point out the tyranny in all ideas. Islam has a force field around its ideas and thereiby promotes its tyrants to super status. I am not in favor of cultural relativism.  I measure barbarism (originally anyone who was not Greek, a fairly universal western notion) without intellectualizing-women are subservient, servile, lesser status, beaten etc., death to apostates, intolerant in so many ways, warlike, suicide bombing. And the list goes on. What is it, what is its nature, what does it do? It is barbaric. Notwithstanding the barbarism of the religion most of its adherents are okay. This tends to be more the case where there is a greater secular influence.

      Islam is the provenance of the things you cite in the second pargraph. Look at islam where government is stable. Is it less repressive, less tyrannical? Who rises to obtain power when a vacum emerges? Islam, there to impose its tyranny. Democracy in the sense we understand it cannot thrive where islamic tentacles have suctioned the culture. Free speech is indeed the marker for health of a culture or civilization. If the citizens are not free to critcize the "tyrants" tyranny will win out.

      I dont think the guy holding the sign is motivated by pure sucker punchism, rather it is in response to the recent events. I dont think the sign would be there without the recent events.

      It is fine to attack all religion or to attack on an individual basis. They all have cultlike indoctrination measures in place, they operate on the basis of faith, they claim to have a stranglehold on morality. I absolutely agree that christianity and islam are on a par in being a little awful. Islam has pulled away in the horse race of immorality, not because it is worse, only because christianity has long since passed its zenith. Simple power equation that is all. Judaism, no great shakes and a terible influence on Jews, does not proselytize like the former. And so its influence is not felt or imposed at the point of a sword and spread to the millions. It also is much deeper in terms of studying ethics and philosophy. There are other conceptual differences which make it a bit more sophisticated. But the messiah shit and the . . . gotta go  

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        Gila Guerilla

        We must have the right to express ideas, sometimes in opposition to other peoples' ideas. Without this, ideas would be stagnant. The problem is that it seems to be enshrined in Islam, that expressing such ideas, in opposition to the religion, is offensive and blasphemous. In the minds of a minority of Muslims, this is justification for killing the blasphemers. Exactly how much of this is actually politically motivated I don't know, but at least some Muslims justify murder on these grounds.

        I think that some Muslims do in fact permit criticism, if it is in an attempt to "come closer to Islam". Usually it is to permit the opponent room to change their ideas.

        I've had Christians express a similar idea: that my expressing opposing ideas about the existence of "God", is my searching for "God". But it's not ~ it's just my expressing opposing ideas about the existence of "God".